Wall progress thread


Jack O Neill

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Bizarre that some people are complaining that a politician is trying to enact a policy that was a core part of winning election campaign. Irish people must be too used to people like Pat Rabbitte making promises they have no intention of keeping. Did people expect Trump to implement Hillarys losing policies? Bizarre stuff
nah , was gonna reply then i realised this thingy is as dimwitted as dimwitted can be
 

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Are people advocating a complete open doors policy ? Do they feel this should be the case in ireland also or does this only apply to the US ?

All these people whinging about the wall should be asked to answer those 2 questions. Countries like Canada and Oz have immigration policies yet you dont see posters whinging about Leo's sock buddy.
Nothing to do with an open doors policy. Its to do with a stupid wall.

What kind of wall do Canada and Australia have?
 

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Are people advocating a complete open doors policy ? Do they feel this should be the case in ireland also or does this only apply to the US ?

All these people whinging about the wall should be asked to answer those 2 questions. Countries like Canada and Oz have immigration policies yet you dont see posters whinging about Leo's sock buddy.
Opponents are arguing for realistic, effective and cost-efficient means of border security.
 

O'Sullivan Bere

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Reality hits the wall again, pun intended.


President Donald Trump has repeatedly advocated for a steel slat design for his border wall, which he described as "absolutely critical to border security" in his Oval Office address to the nation Tuesday. But Department of Homeland Security testing of a steel slat prototype proved it could be cut through with a saw, according to a report by DHS.

A photo exclusively obtained by NBC News shows the results of the test after military and Border Patrol personnel were instructed to attempt to destroy the barriers with common tools.


The Trump administration directed the construction of eight steel and concrete prototype walls that were built in Otay Mesa, California, just across the border from Tijuana, Mexico. Trump inspected the prototypes in March 2018. He has now settled on a steel slat, or steel bollard, design for the proposed border barrier additions. Steel bollard fencing has been used under previous administrations.

However, testing by DHS in late 2017 showed all eight prototypes, including the steel slats, were vulnerable to breaching, according to an internal February 2018 U.S. Customs and Border Protection report.

Photos of the breaches were not included in a redacted version of the CBP report, which was first obtained in a Freedom of Information Act Request by San Diego public broadcaster KPBS.
Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through - NBC News
 

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Trump holds off on threat to declare national emergency - CBS News

President Pissypants backs down yet again and says he wont declare a State of Emergency
What a wuss
He's so binary it limits him incredibly. He backs himself into corners and then finds ways the guarantee failure.

The numbers of illegal immigrants are falling. Every review finds this. Do a deal a year or 3 months ago to get bunch more border guards, fix the border blocks that are there, build some new ones: DECLARE VICTORY. Stand on a platform of "Hey you know those illegal immigrants numbers that have been trending down? Well they've been trending down under me too! Isn't that great!".

Because for all the talk of the last few days from him of the word not mattering: It matters now. You've had the longest shut down in history. You're 5 days out from being the President with the longest shutdowns in history. That's not going to be viewed as being on the GOP or the Dems. That gets attributed to the President.

The idea of this stage of having that long a shut down and NOT getting the wall (Or whatever else you wanted) is death. Clinton had a very long shutdown as well but at least he WON the thing. To go this long and lose is unconscionable. And utterly avoidable.
 

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He's so binary it limits him incredibly. He backs himself into corners and then finds ways the guarantee failure.

The numbers of illegal immigrants are falling. Every review finds this. Do a deal a year or 3 months ago to get bunch more border guards, fix the border blocks that are there, build some new ones: DECLARE VICTORY. Stand on a platform of "Hey you know those illegal immigrants numbers that have been trending down? Well they've been trending down under me too! Isn't that great!".

Because for all the talk of the last few days from him of the word not mattering: It matters now. You've had the longest shut down in history. You're 5 days out from being the President with the longest shutdowns in history. That's not going to be viewed as being on the GOP or the Dems. That gets attributed to the President.

The idea of this stage of having that long a shut down and NOT getting the wall (Or whatever else you wanted) is death. Clinton had a very long shutdown as well but at least he WON the thing. To go this long and lose is unconscionable. And utterly avoidable.
will it make any difference to his base?
 

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will it make any difference to his base?
Actually yeah. This would be losing now. People losing out on pay while winning is sacrifice. People losing out on pay and being known as the historic president who's sulk shut down the govt without the wall is just losing.
 

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Someone who couldn't be further away from the border or impact of illegal immigration from Southern border goes to that trouble.
Well, that depends on what border of course given his state, North Dakota, sits on a border....

At 5,525 miles, including Alaska, the northern border is the longest international boundary in the world. Without Alaska, the 3,987- mile line capping the Lower 48 is the third- longest. Politicians, federal agents, pundits, and most Americans focus on the line with Mexico, even though its northern cousin is more than twice its length and many times more porous. The only known terrorists to cross overland into the US came from the north. Fifty- six billion dollars in smuggled drugs and ten thousand illegal aliens cross the US- Canada border every year. Two thousand agents watch the line. Nine times that number patrol the southern boundary. According to a 2010 Congressional Research Service report, US Customs and Border Protection maintains “operational control” over just sixty- nine miles of the northern border.
'Northland' Explores Life Along That 'Other' U.S. Border - Northland
 

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Nothing to do with an open doors policy. Its to do with a stupid wall.

What kind of wall do Canada and Australia have?
Australia has a sea, and those who try to enter illegally are sent to Nauru. In short a grown up immigration policy that welcomes those with in demand skills.
So do you favour an open doors immigration policy and if so do you think only the US should have this policy ? Should Ireland ?

Nobody prepared to answer this on here. Like Bob Geldof promising to take refugees in to his house the lot of you !!!
 

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Such as ?
Such as all the things in previous bills and the things agreed in the bill submitted to Trump. There actually isn’t huge disagreement between the parties on what’s needed on the border.
 

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Such as all the things in previous bills and the things agreed in the bill submitted to Trump. There actually isn’t huge disagreement between the parties on what’s needed on the border.
This. And something that can be sorted out in a day, less even without anybody losing face, both sides accentuating what they won etc, otherwise known as, politics.
 

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This. And something that can be sorted out in a day, less even without anybody losing face, both sides accentuating what they won etc, otherwise known as, politics.
Yup. But we’re past that now. The “wall” isn’t the point anymore. Now it’s just a point of the president delivering. It could be a tax cut, it could be Medicaid, whatever.

It’s going to be a concrete wall
Mexico is going to pay for it
I’m going to own the shut down to get the wall
I’m going to declare an emergency to get the wall.

Now you can substitute “wall” for “X”, whatever policy name you like. The president has promised something explicitly, said who would pay for it and then shut down government for the longest time ever to try and get that. He’s now got to get X or its pretty much over. He’s done in the eyes of both parties and the public.
 

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Yup. But we’re past that now. The “wall” isn’t the point anymore. Now it’s just a point of the president delivering. It could be a tax cut, it could be Medicaid, whatever.

It’s going to be a concrete wall
Mexico is going to pay for it
I’m going to own the shut down to get the wall
I’m going to declare an emergency to get the wall.

Now you can substitute “wall” for “X”, whatever policy name you like. The president has promised something explicitly, said who would pay for it and then shut down government for the longest time ever to try and get that. He’s now got to get X or its pretty much over. He’s done in the eyes of both parties and the public.
He's already conceded on 'concrete wall' and on Mexico paying (trade deal), so it's a short step to take. He'll still spin it afterwards as Dems blocking the wall, fought his best, but shut down had to end.
 

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Yup. But we’re past that now. The “wall” isn’t the point anymore. Now it’s just a point of the president delivering. It could be a tax cut, it could be Medicaid, whatever.

It’s going to be a concrete wall
Mexico is going to pay for it
I’m going to own the shut down to get the wall
I’m going to declare an emergency to get the wall.

Now you can substitute “wall” for “X”, whatever policy name you like. The president has promised something explicitly, said who would pay for it and then shut down government for the longest time ever to try and get that. He’s now got to get X or its pretty much over. He’s done in the eyes of both parties and the public.
Dont think either party likes him, as we know he used to be a democrat and the WASP establishment in the republican party dont like him.
That said its very difficult to unseat a republican incumbent , impossible unless the economy is a disaster in almost all occassions.
The Dems reselecting a has been like Pelosi would suggest they've learnt little from selecting has been hillary. Kind of weird the way the Dems have moved backwards after rejecting Hillary in favour of a relatively unknown senator offering change in 2008.
Young Biden in 2020?
 
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