"“We are known as the home for the handouts" - Fine Gael Councillor

Clanrickard

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 25, 2008
Messages
34,587
I think the housing shortage in Ireland is the result of a lot more reasons than immigration whatever way you look at it.

For at least 5 years there have been loud and persistent warnings about a looming housing crisis... and as per feckin' usual... we end up playing catch up (with all the short cuts and bullsh!t that entails) because for whatever reason... we seem incapable of planning anything in Ireland...
35% of all rent subsidy goes to non-Irish citizens.
 
Last edited:


Fullforward

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 8, 2010
Messages
9,642
33% of all rent subsidy goes to non-EU citizens.
You may get Rent Supplement if you have been living for 6 months (183 days) out of the last 12 months in one, or a combination, of the following:

Private rented accommodation (you must be able to show that you could afford the rent at the beginning of your tenancy and that you could have continued to pay rent but are unable to do so because of a change in your circumstances which occurred after you started renting)
Accommodation for homeless people
An institution, for example, a hospital, care home or place of detention
Or

If you have been assessed by your local housing authority as being eligible for and in need of social housing in the last 12 months. (see question 6)
In addition to these requirements, the officer dealing with your claim must be satisfied that:

your accommodation is suited to your needs.
you are habitually resident in the State.
the amount of rent you pay is within the maximum rent limit for your area and family size.
if your accommodation is provided through the Capital Assistance Scheme, the amount of Rent Supplement payable does not exceed €55 per week for single people and €60 per week for couples.
 

ionsniffer

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 27, 2014
Messages
7,162
I work in an area I get to see who gets what. Eastern Europeans get a lot. That's all I'll say.
 

Fullforward

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 8, 2010
Messages
9,642
33% of all rent subsidy goes to non-EU citizens.
You will not qualify for Rent Supplement if:

You work full-time (more than 29 hours per week) unless you have been deemed as eligible for the Rental Accommodation Scheme by the local housing authority. (see question 6)
Your spouse or partner is engaged in full time employment.
you are in full time education (some exceptions apply).
you are involved in a trade dispute. However your dependant spouse and dependant children are not excluded from SWA for the period of the strike.
you are living in accommodation provided by a local authority.
you are living in accommodation provided by the Health Service Executive.

you are living in accommodation provided by a body or organisation which provides services on behalf of, or similar to, or ancillary to the Health Service Executive, where that body uses residential care staff in providing such services and also receives a subvention payment from the Minister for Health in respect of you.
you are living in accommodation provided by a voluntary housing body where that body receives a subsidy under the rental subsidy scheme.
you are receiving a rent allowance from the Department of Social Protection due to being a tenant in decontrolled rented accommodation.
you are admitted to an institution for a period of in excess of 13 weeks .
you have been excluded from the local authority housing list .
you have left local authority accommodation without satisfying the officer dealing with your claim there was good reason for doing so .
you refuse two offers of social housing from a Local Authority within a 12 month period.
you are not lawfully in the State.
you have made an application for asylum under the Refugee Act, 1996 and your application is awaiting final decision by the Minister for Justice and Equality .
you have made an application under the Aliens Act, 1935 to remain in the State and your application has not been determined.
your landlord does not provide their Tax Reference Number or a valid reason for not having a Tax Reference Number.
 

Erudite Caveman

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 27, 2016
Messages
7,329
I think the housing shortage in Ireland is the result of a lot more reasons than immigration whatever way you look at it.

For at least 5 years there have been loud and persistent warnings about a looming housing crisis... and as per feckin' usual... we end up playing catch up (with all the short cuts and bullsh!t that entails) because for whatever reason... we seem incapable of planning anything in Ireland...
For 5 years prior to that 5 years, we had loud and persistent warnings about government interference in the housing market.

There is no getting away from the fact that the catastrophic collapse of the entire residential construction industry and market beginning in 2007 is responsible for this, not policies in the past 8 or so years.

Ironically, it is the surprisingly quick recovery of the rest of the economy that has caused the demand to ramp up so strongly. And that is something that the loud and persistent were 100% wrong on.
 

Spanner Island

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 22, 2011
Messages
23,973
33% of all rent subsidy goes to non-EU citizens.
Link???

Regardless... Keary's comments refer to EU immigration.

I just don't buy the BS that immigration is the root of all our ills.

It exacerbates issues that already exist and have existed for decades in incompetent Ireland... but it's lazy arsed bias to focus on it or to pretend it's THE issue... imo.

Plenty of immigrants work hard and pay plenty of taxes here...

To think if they all fecked off everything would be rosey is nonsense imo.

The issues are systemic imo... and always have been...
 

Fullforward

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 8, 2010
Messages
9,642
Take also the "back to school" allowance. Once you qualify under the income thresholds, ALL children in the family receive it irrespective of whether they are of school going age or not.
You may qualify for the Back to School Clothing and Footwear Allowance if you are:

Getting a social welfare payment (including Family Income Supplement and Back to Work Family Dividend) or a Health Service Executive payment, or
Taking part in an approved employment scheme (back to work scheme) including JobBridge or
Taking part in a recognised education or training course, or
Involved in an Area Partnership Scheme, or
Attending a FET (formerly Fás), Fáilte Ireland or LES training scheme
Your child must be aged between 4-17 on or before 30 September 2017. If they are aged between 18-22 they must be in full-time second-level education in a recognised school or college.
 

Dame_Enda

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 14, 2011
Messages
59,741
Link???

Regardless... Keary's comments refer to EU immigration.

I just don't buy the BS that immigration is the root of all our ills.

It exacerbates issues that already exist and have existed for decades in incompetent Ireland... but it's lazy arsed bias to focus on it or to pretend it's THE issue... imo.

Plenty of immigrants work hard and pay plenty of taxes here...

To think if they all fecked off everything would be rosey is nonsense imo.

The issues are systemic imo... and always have been...
There needs to be a law linking spending on public services to increases in population. The planning laws and the professions that leach off planning delays are also part of the problem. However the question of the costs of immigration to public services must be urgently addressed.
 

Spanner Island

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 22, 2011
Messages
23,973
For 5 years prior to that 5 years, we had loud and persistent warnings about government interference in the housing market.

There is no getting away from the fact that the catastrophic collapse of the entire residential construction industry and market beginning in 2007 is responsible for this, not policies in the past 8 or so years.
You mean no policies? Because there have been none... other than allowing the scandal that is NAMA to create an artificial floor underneath the entire market...

Ironically, it is the surprisingly quick recovery of the rest of the economy that has caused the demand to ramp up so strongly. And that is something that the loud and persistent were 100% wrong on.
Wrong about what?

The homelessness crisis is what they were warning about... and they've been bang on the money wrt that.

The solution is affordable housing... and by affordable housing I don't mean the kind of massive housing estates that were built in the 1970s or 1980s and which were foisted onto communities that had no chance of absorbing them...

Ruth Coppinger and her ilk seem to be craving a repeat of those failed policies... presumably because Ruth and her ilk are morons...

Mixed development without developers being able to buy their way out of 'social' aspects is a solution... imo.
 

ionsniffer

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 27, 2014
Messages
7,162
Go in to your local dole office and see who's queuing. Vast majority are eastern European.

Those on low wages get supplemented.

It's a piss take
 

ionsniffer

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 27, 2014
Messages
7,162
The government are responsible. I think it's wrong.
Paying all my life and get shag all. These people are having a laugh off US.
 

Spanner Island

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 22, 2011
Messages
23,973
The government are responsible. I think it's wrong.
Paying all my life and get shag all. These people are having a laugh off US.
I agree the Govt is responsible... which is why the Govt should fix it.

Banging on about immigrants and them 'having a laugh at us' is futile.

Fix the system (Irish made and Irish run) and the ability to abuse it should be removed.

I'm opposed to anyone being facilitated in 'having a laugh at us' including Irish citizens, EU citizens and those from further afield...
 

SamsonS

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 22, 2009
Messages
4,943
Go in to your local dole office and see who's queuing. Vast majority are eastern European.

Those on low wages get supplemented.

It's a piss take
Second point, only applies if you have children.

First point, those form EU 15-28 make up 5% of the population , but they make up 9.5% of those on live register. UK citizens is about 2.5% of population, and about 4% of the live register.
 

realistic1

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 27, 2008
Messages
11,271
I agree the Govt is responsible... which is why the Govt should fix it.

Banging on about immigrants and them 'having a laugh at us' is futile.

Fix the system (Irish made and Irish run) and the ability to abuse it should be removed.

I'm opposed to anyone being facilitated in 'having a laugh at us' including Irish citizens, EU citizens and those from further afield...
Is any political party advocating to "Fix the system"? In my experience a lot of the Political class want to retain and increase Social welfare spending.
 

ionsniffer

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 27, 2014
Messages
7,162
My mother and father scrimped and saved to put me through school and college and got ************************ all.
Seeing people come here and after a year or two get facilitated to pay their rent, go back to study, bring up children is a joke. There is no reason for them to not be here.
Time to stop unlimited numbers coming here.
 

SamsonS

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 22, 2009
Messages
4,943
Is any political party advocating to "Fix the system"? In my experience a lot of the Political class want to retain and increase Social welfare spending.
As a catch all, by far largest "bloc". 1.4m people receive a weekly payment from DSP. When you include dependents that is 2.1m people per week.
 


New Threads

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top Bottom