We Demand Democracy - call for a referendum on our economic future

PetevonPete

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The Irish Republic belongs to its Citizens.

Irish citizens have the right, as asserted in the constitution, to ensure that the wealth of our Republic is utilised for the “common good” and to promote “social justice”.

We demand a national referendum to assert these constitutional rights, so bringing the economy under the control of the many rather than a corrupt few.

In March 2010 the Icelandic people expressed their will through a referendum which ended attempts by that country’s elite to sell out their nation’s wealth. We must do the same.

Sign the petition at
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We Demand Democracy Petition
 


PetevonPete

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To: President Of Ireland
WE DEMAND DEMOCRACY

The Irish Republic belongs to its Citizens.

Irish citizens have the right, as asserted in the constitution, to ensure that the wealth of our Republic is utilised for the “common good” and to promote “social justice”.

We demand a national referendum to assert these constitutional rights, so bringing the economy under the control of the many rather than a corrupt few.

In March 2010 the Icelandic people expressed their will through a referendum which ended attempts by that country’s elite to sell out their nation’s wealth. We must do the same.

The Irish Republic is in the grip of an economic crisis created by the few but devastating the many. Decisions made by a handful of inter-connected individuals (the golden circle of Irish politicians, developers and bankers) have resulted in over €50 billion of losses accrued by speculative private enterprises being foisted onto all Irish citizens. The Fianna Fáil / Green government are sacrificing the future of our Republic for the sake of international billionaires, failed property speculators and largely faceless home grown bondholders.

Rather than force these individuals to suffer the consequences of their actions, the government prefers to financially cripple the country for a generation – resulting in children losing their right to an education, the sick going without care, the young being forced into emigration, and the elderly being robbed of the retirement they deserve and have worked hard for. For the last two years the government has focused on creating mechanisms such as the National Assets Management Agency (NAMA) and the bank guarantee as a delaying tactic to allow those most culpable to escape paying for their economic sabotage. Bankers such as former Irish Nationwide boss Michael Fingleton, former Anglo boss Sean Fitzpatrick, on the run David Drumm and their developer cohorts feel assured they have managed to hide enough ill gotten assets to ensure they will never feel the poverty their gambles have inflicted on a generation.

The decisions that have allowed this situation to develop were not made in the interests of the citizens of the Republic but against them. They were fundamentally anti-democratic. Rather than challenge them the political class merely seeks a “consensus” on the implemention of cutbacks that will only worsen the economic crisis.

We demand the fundamental democratic right of the people to express our view on our economic future in a referendum. The referendum would ask citizens to assert the primacy of “the common good” and “social justice” as enshrined in Article 43.2 of Bunreacht na hÉireann. This assertion would mark a turning point towards the building of a new sustainable economy that will serve the interests of the many rather than the few.

An assertion of the primacy of Article 43.2 must result in;

• The revoking of the bank guarantee and a declaration that it was entered into by a government acting in contravention of the constitution.
• The use of existing state reserve funds, which still amount to over €40 billion, for a jobs intensive investment programme.
• The suspension of Article 43.1.2 in specific circumstances where individuals, heavily indebted to nationalised banks, have transferred assets to associates and family members. These transactions will be rendered null and void.
• All the financial activities of the State being made fully transparent.

If you agree with the need for this referendum please sign this petition.

Our aim is collect over 50,000 signatures and then present them to the President of Ireland and call for the instigation of a referendum on this issue to be held alongside the one deemed necessary on Children’s Rights.

The proposed referendum question:

I, as a citizen of the Irish Republic, assert the primacy of Article 43.2 Bunreacht na hÉireann / Irish Constitution over Article 43.1 Bunreacht na hÉireann / Irish Constitution and instruct the Irish state to develop legislation which expresses this as the will of the people.

Yes / No

Article 43 Bunreacht na hÉireann/Irish Constitution:

1.1° The State acknowledges that man, in virtue of his rational being, has the natural right, antecedent to positive law, to the private ownership of external goods.

1.2° The State accordingly guarantees to pass no law attempting to abolish the right of private ownership or the general right to transfer, bequeath, and inherit property.

2.1° The State recognises, however, that the exercise of the rights mentioned in the foregoing provisions of this Article ought, in civil society, to be regulated by the principles of social justice.

2.2° The State, accordingly, may as occasion requires delimit by law the exercise of the said rights with a view to reconciling their exercise with the exigencies of the common good.



Sincerely,

Citizen of Ireland
 
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Aristodemus

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What a waste of time. Let's also have a referendum that we are against sin. This is not how politics works in Ireland. this is not California.
 

Tea Party Patriot

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This thread belongs in the Zoo
 

Garibaldy

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The point of the demand is that there is no democratic control being exercised over the decision to bail out the banks and property speculators, and that they are hiding their wealth behind the constitution. And yet the constitution itself offers the means to prevent that. A referendum on the enforcement of the common good clause in the constitution would provide the basis for an alternative economic policy that would offer a way out of the crisis.
 

redhead101

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I agree with 100 per cent of the sentiment, but zero per cent of the mechanics.

For one thing, the President cannot instigate a referendum.

Also the only thing a referendum can do is ammend the constitution. It cannot order the govt to take a particular course of action, or chage its emphasis.

Respectfully I would suggest you get a hold of a legal expert and draw up a plan of action that has some basis in the law.
 

PetevonPete

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"basis in the law" - the law merely reflects the balance of class relations, the law as it currently stands defends and enables the actions of the economic saboteurs – this referendum is a call for the basis of these legal restrictions to be re-examined in light of the Irish people seeking that the “common good” and “social justice” constitutional assertions are placed on a higher plane than the right to protect so called “private property” -

once it is fully investigated it will be found that Fianna Fail has acted illegally but it will be to late by then – we are not here to deabte legal niceties but mobilse the people in a battle of wills between the mass of Irish citizens and a criminal elite – now is not the time to look for legal mechanisms but to question the whole underpinnings of the current legal mechanisms that have enabled whole scale robbery of the Irish people's assets.

Mobilise the people and the law changes – that's the lesson of history

We know the president can't instigate a referendum but let her, and the party that put her there, respond to a demand by 50,000 citizens for such a referendum – this is political action not a legal debate and over 100,000 leaflets are curenlty being distributed the length and breath of the country calling for this expression of the will of the people
 

selkies

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I applaud your attempt at political reform!

Well done, you sir are awesome!

What's your next move? Are you going to write to your TDs? Are you going to start a political campaign in real life or another one of a different format online?
The possibilities are endless, good luck, you obviously care a lot, ignore the people who tell you that you'll fail, they never achieve anything except warming the air in front of their ugly faces.
I imagine they would be better looking if their cold cynical hearts continued to pump warm blood, but instead it just pumps bile and one liners.
 

new jewell

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This could take off,and ignore the naysayers.This could be important in relation to selling off state assets,and I think Iceland did something similar.It needs more publicity though.
 

Ruaidhri

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Seriously though I signed it

I don't think they really care though what the vast majority of people think. If they did we would have had an election in 2008-2009 when it became quite clear that the vast majority of Irish people opposed the government.
 

farnaby

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I applaud this plan, ignore the begrudgers. I too believe there is much in the constitution that can and should be to the protection of the citizen against many of our government's recent actions.

I have raised here before its complete contravention of the directive articles of social justice in article 45 of the constitution - except because contravening article 45 is "only" a matter for the Oireachtas it is constantly ignored both by government, and opposition.

If there is a slender hope that a constitutional article can reassert the primacy of people over a disgraceful government, it should be grasped and followed through.
 

new jewell

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I applaud this plan, ignore the begrudgers. I too believe there is much in the constitution that can and should be to the protection of the citizen against many of our government's recent actions.

I have raised here before its complete contravention of the directive articles of social justice in article 45 of the constitution - except because contravening article 45 is "only" a matter for the Oireachtas it is constantly ignored both by government, and opposition.

If there is a slender hope that a constitutional article can reassert the primacy of people over a disgraceful government, it should be grasped and followed through.
+1
The country is being robbed beneath our feet,we should use every tool necessary to alert the public and fight back.
We Demand Democracy Petition
 

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goosebump

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Also the only thing a referendum can do is ammend the constitution.
Not true.

With the support of the majority of the Seanad and 1/3rd of the Dail, a Bill can be refered to the people in a Referendum, which technically means that anything can be put to the people.

It can only be passed however by the people if a minium number of people vote.

Has never happened. Probably never will.
 


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