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We don't need a civil service


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john moriarty

Clerical staff functions can be easily replaced.
Top 'mandarin' functions ought to be replaced.
(As FG have recently suggested).

Sell me the civil service. I'm all ears.
 

polcol2

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Clerical staff functions can be easily replaced.
Top 'mandarin' functions ought to be replaced.
(As FG have recently suggested).

Sell me the civil service. I'm all ears.
A well run civil service is essential. Just give me one example of a functioning democracy that doesn't have one.
 
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john moriarty

A well run civil service is essential. Just give me one example of a functioning democracy that doesn't have one.
You know I can't.

I'm suggesting a possible alternative.
Why do we need one, when most all
of its functions could be carried out
by contractors.
 

polcol2

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You know I can't.

I'm suggesting a possible alternative.
Why do we need one, when most all
of its functions could be carried out
by contractors.
Pretty radical idea all right, probably a better way to look at is through best practice, some areas canned others enhanced. In the private sector the outsourcing argument is a similar one. The optimal fiscal position for most companies is a combination of in house (managed) and outsourced (production). The gov could force civil service to adopt the same model.
 

bormotello

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Clerical staff functions can be easily replaced.
Top 'mandarin' functions ought to be replaced.
(As FG have recently suggested).

Sell me the civil service. I'm all ears.
i.e. another ************************************************ to defend CPSU clerks
At least half of civil service is critical of state and must be preserved
While another half is luxury and can be easily outsourced/closed
 
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john moriarty

There'd need to be a rigorous
form of superior oversight -one
that puts society before the
demands of shareholders; but
there's surely no reason why
the mechanical duties of the
CS couldn't be tendered out.

I'd start a parallel, private CS,
& gradually leech function from
the taxpayer crowd.
 

firefly123

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I can't imagine that the private sector would do it for free somehow.
We might be able to outsource to bangalore!
What about sensitive information? Imagine how many irish passports spies would have then!
 
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john moriarty

I can't imagine that the private sector would do it for free somehow.
We might be able to outsource to bangalore!
What about sensitive information? Imagine how many irish passports spies would have then!
Who said free? The current
setup is far from free.
 

TrueBlue84

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Clerical staff functions can be easily replaced.
Top 'mandarin' functions ought to be replaced.
(As FG have recently suggested).

Sell me the civil service. I'm all ears.
Why even outsource?

Not sure how it is in the south the number of hoops you have to jump through regarding your car in Northern Ireland is rediculous.

In an age when we can manage every aspect of a holiday online with debit/credit cards why can we not do something similar with the civil service.

File in the applications for whatever on online forms then if need be have a skeleton service to make sure there were no abuses/fraud and some for advice
 

culmore

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Of course we need a civil service, what we dont need is --- all the politicans and their salaries and expenses and the top lair of Quangoes and friends of politicians at the top of the civil Service
 
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john moriarty

Of course we need a civil service, what we dont need is --- all the politicans and their salaries and expenses and the top lair of Quangoes and friends of politicians at the top of the civil Service
Why do we need a civil service paid for by the state?
 

Miserable eFFer

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The most recent outsourcing exercise was the collection of VRT which was given to a private Spanish contractor, Applus. Watch the VRT returns plummet for the coming years, even given the current depressed market. If first reports are anything to go by it's a complete ****-up. What do you expect from the current encumbents - they have been hell bent in driving our economy and country to the wall.
 

Earnest

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Who is going to examine all the tenders for service? Who will have the expertise to judge them?
 

darkhorse

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The question you have to ask is, if we were starting from scratch now, how would we do it? The answer is that we would be doing it a lot more efficiently and with a lot less people than we do it now. A lot would be contracted out but the core functions would be done in house. Also many services and quangoes currently offered by the State would never be started.
 
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john moriarty

The most recent outsourcing exercise was the collection of VRT which was given to a private Spanish contractor, Applus. Watch the VRT returns plummet for the coming years, even given the current depressed market. If first reports are anything to go by it's a complete ****-up. What do you expect from the current encumbents - they have been hell bent in driving our economy and country to the wall.
So they should have been fired.
And the next crowd that gets
the contract & screws up should
be fired.

Here's the really expensive bit -
the civil servants who oversee
fiasco's such as this DON'T EVER
get fired.
 
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john moriarty

Who is going to examine all the tenders for service? Who will have the expertise to judge them?
Isn't that already a problem?
Oversight should come from
a body that is interested in
the future of this society.
(Unfortunately), that will have
to count among its members
turbulent priests & bleeding
heart liberals.
 

Garland Names the Skies

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Isn't that already a problem?
Oversight should come from
a body that is interested in
the future of this society.
(Unfortunately), that will have
to count among its members
turbulent priests & bleeding
heart liberals.
You think that people you consider to be "turbulent priests & bleeding
heart liberals" are the people you want to be "a body that is interested in
the future of this society". Have you really thought this through John?
 
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john moriarty

I was attempting to be inclusive.
It's all the rage these days.
 
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