We Must Not Become A United States Of Europe - French PM Demands



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I wouldn't trust him as far as I'd throw him.

This is all posturing against the threat of other countries leaving, and lower down the scale the LePen threat too.
 

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Prove it. Remove Juncker as President of Commission. He has recently called national borders the 'biggest mistake ever made'. Have a chat with your MEPs about that.

The EU will only survive when it drops grand designs in favour of improving the lives of its people - particularly the Precariat. It also needs to tackle the massive corruption in the EU budget and in the EP. The EP register of members interests needs to be compulsory not as now voluntary. The EP is a candy store for Big Business buying political favours.
 

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No more to be believed that a snake oil salesman. A member of the French Socialist Party, a party that stands for Capitalism with a fig leaf of being socially liberal so that they can try differentiate from the traditional right and their voters can think they aren't voting for more of the same.

Valls plays the old trick of blaming Europe. Oh we don't want more EU but sure enough nobody in Capital will doubt his loyalty to the problem business agenda and the neo liberal EU.
 

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Prove it. Remove Juncker as President of Commission. He has recently called national borders the 'biggest mistake ever made'. Have a chat with your MEPs about that.

The EU will only survive when it drops grand designs in favour of improving the lives of its people - particularly the Precariat. It also needs to tackle the massive corruption in the EU budget and in the EP. The EP register of members interests needs to be compulsory not as now voluntary. The EP is a candy store for Big Business buying political favours.
the way they tell it its instead the greatest force for peace since Gandhi. The higher an institution regards itself the baser it is in reality. The EU could have been something beautiful but 30 years of neo liberalism has made it an anti worker business serving management group.

The way the tell it its actually the
 

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Brits left too soon
 

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the way they tell it its instead the greatest force for peace since Gandhi. The higher an institution regards itself the baser it is in reality. The EU could have been something beautiful but 30 years of neo liberalism has made it an anti worker business serving management group.

The way the tell it its actually the
Imagine a Provo supporter lecturing people on peace.
 

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Prove it. Remove Juncker as President of Commission. He has recently called national borders the 'biggest mistake ever made'. Have a chat with your MEPs about that.

The EU will only survive when it drops grand designs in favour of improving the lives of its people - particularly the Precariat. It also needs to tackle the massive corruption in the EU budget and in the EP. The EP register of members interests needs to be compulsory not as now voluntary. The EP is a candy store for Big Business buying political favours.
Unfortunately the UK government is now also acting like kids in a candy store thinking that they they can do what the feck they like now that Brussels is out of the way. That's the trouble with the right, no sense sense of responsibility to anybody or anything but themselves.
 

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The Germans have always tried to conquer Europe. Look at Merkel speaking on behalf of the EU. I voted in favour of the various EU treaties, I was wrong.
 

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The Germans have always tried to conquer Europe. Look at Merkel speaking on behalf of the EU. I voted in favour of the various EU treaties, I was wrong.
They have been at it for hundreds of years, that's why the allies expunged Prussia from the map in 1947, as Churchill put it -

"The core of Germany is Prussia, there is the source of recurring pestilence"
 

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They have been at it for hundreds of years, that's why the allies expunged Prussia from the map in 1947, as Churchill put it -

"The core of Germany is Prussia, there is the source of recurring pestilence"
The real source of pestilence in Europe has always been the British , hopefully this time they stay on their overcrowded rock for good
 

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The Germans have always tried to conquer Europe. Look at Merkel speaking on behalf of the EU. I voted in favour of the various EU treaties, I was wrong.
England, Spain ,Turkey France, Germany and Russia have all tried to dominate Europe or enough of it to be considered the Top Dog in the affairs of States & Nations

Clearly post 1945 in western Europe the notion that any single State could dominate the others was History.

France and Germany realised that only by working together and roping in (over time) the other western States

- could they maintain their dominant position

And that is what they have now achieved
 

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The real source of pestilence in Europe has always been the British , hopefully this time they stay on their overcrowded rock for good
Remind us of their role in the 30 years war (8 Million Casualties) or even the Franco Prussian war of 1870 of which, BTW, Wikipedia has this to say -

The conflict was caused by Prussian ambitions to extend German unification and French fears of the shift in the European balance of power that would result if the Prussians succeeded.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Prussian_War
 

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England, Spain ,Turkey France, Germany and Russia have all tried to dominate Europe or enough of it to be considered the Top Dog in the affairs of States & Nations

Clearly post 1945 in western Europe the notion that any single State could dominate the others was History.

France and Germany realised that only by working together and roping in (over time) the other western States

- could they maintain their dominant position

And that is what they have now achieved
You don't understand Europe. The decades after WW2 were an aboration from the norm. For centuries, nay millenia, Europeans have moved, lived, settled, worked and inter-married in countries all over Europe Migration was a normal part of life in Europe.

It is an integral part of being European.

If Ireland hadn't been colonised, we too could have been part of that migration, as we had been for centuries prior to colonisation.
 

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You don't understand Europe. The decades after WW2 were an aboration from the norm. For centuries, nay millenia, Europeans have moved, lived, settled, worked and inter-married in countries all over Europe Migration was a normal part of life in Europe.

It is an integral part of being European.

If Ireland hadn't been colonised, we too could have been part of that migration, as we had been for centuries prior to colonisation.
Mankind is a fairly territorial sort of animal and so ethnic, social, religious groups tended to build borders around their patch of land and either fought or formed alliances with neighbours. That would be the template for the greater part of Europe and the migration was often as much to do with war and famine as it was a 'lifestyle choice'. As the population increased so did competition for resources and the tensions between these groups strengthened, the borders hardened in a bid to raise taxes through import-export duties and the money raised was used to defend those very same borders.
 

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I'm fairly tired of British newspapers saying how terribly Europe is doing. When they realise that they live in a country with a Government implementing increasingly fascist policy, where an MP has been murdered this year for standing up to that, where far-right representatives are hospitalising each other, where their currency has tanked by 20% and where they actually notice their economy is slipping in the world rankings, they might realise how silly they look.
 

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I'm fairly tired of British newspapers saying how terribly Europe is doing. When they realise that they live in a country with a Government implementing increasingly fascist policy, where an MP has been murdered this year for standing up to that, where far-right representatives are hospitalising each other, where their currency has tanked by 20% and where they actually notice their economy is slipping in the world rankings, they might realise how silly they look.
And it is the darlings of FG who are running the kip.
 

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French Prime Minister Manuel Valls proclaims at the Jacques Delors Institute:

"We must not become a United States of Europe." or a Federal Europe if you will.

Each country needed to have its own identity. Or do as I say not do as I do, one could say.

Why do we need a common currency Manuel?

Juncker puts European jobs at risk warning firms no UK secret trade | World | News | Daily Express
... because it's possible to cooperate with neighbours while maintaining your national identity. Use your imagination.
 


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