We Must Not Become A United States Of Europe - French PM Demands



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I'm fairly tired of British newspapers saying how terribly Europe is doing. When they realise that they live in a country with a Government implementing increasingly fascist policy, where an MP has been murdered this year for standing up to that, where far-right representatives are hospitalising each other, where their currency has tanked by 20% and where they actually notice their economy is slipping in the world rankings, they might realise how silly they look.
Almost as silly as allowing your country to be taken over by the EU aka the Germans.

By the way, you don't have to read British newspapers. Surely Ireland has a newspaper or two of its own.
 

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1984 by 2024?

Flip, maybe. But it seems some nasty overtones are creeping into the UK.
What? Regain sovereignty? Regain control of one's own borders? Regain control of one's own identity again?

Ireland of all places should have "some" sympathy for these notions.
 

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They have been at it for hundreds of years, that's why the allies expunged Prussia from the map in 1947, as Churchill put it -

"The core of Germany is Prussia, there is the source of recurring pestilence"
Another Churchill quote"

"The Germans? They're either at your feet, or at your throat."
 

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Unfortunately the UK government is now also acting like kids in a candy store thinking that they they can do what the feck they like now that Brussels is out of the way. That's the trouble with the right, no sense sense of responsibility to anybody or anything but themselves.
For example?
 

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England, Spain ,Turkey France, Germany and Russia have all tried to dominate Europe or enough of it to be considered the Top Dog in the affairs of States & Nations

Clearly post 1945 in western Europe the notion that any single State could dominate the others was History.

France and Germany realised that only by working together and roping in (over time) the other western States

- could they maintain their dominant position

And that is what they have now achieved
When have the British tried to dominate Europe?
 

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The real source of pestilence in Europe was Empire. It wasn't until Europe became post imperialist in the 20th century and the game of thrones ended that the people of Europe got peace. Now the EU wants to build an Empire again and empires love expansion and war.
When was the longest period of peace in Europe in moden times?
 

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What? Regain sovereignty? Regain control of one's own borders? Regain control of one's own identity again?

Ireland of all places should have "some" sympathy for these notions.
All EU countries have control of immigrantion. After six months every EU country had the right to sent EU citizens back home if the sought social welfare. Most didn't use it.

We also had a seven year opt out clause before accepting the immigrants from the new member states. Ireland , Sweden and the UK didn't use it.

Another major fck up by FF.
 

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Another Churchill quote"

"The Germans? They're either at your feet, or at your throat."
And some more:

"I am now going to say something that will astonish you. The first step in the recreation of the European family must be the partnership between France and Germany."
 

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The French, bless 'em, will probably build another series of defences from the south of France right up to around the Belgian border. And then eave a nice big gap roughly German-army sized between there and the coast.

What could possibly go wrong.
 

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What? Regain sovereignty? Regain control of one's own borders? Regain control of one's own identity again?

Ireland of all places should have "some" sympathy for these notions.
We'll soon see how illusory this 'control' and 'sovereignty' is.

Back to the 19th century with you. When imperial Britain was in its temporary prime.
 

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No more to be believed that a snake oil salesman. A member of the French Socialist Party, a party that stands for Capitalism with a fig leaf of being socially liberal so that they can try differentiate from the traditional right and their voters can think they aren't voting for more of the same.

Valls plays the old trick of blaming Europe. Oh we don't want more EU but sure enough nobody in Capital will doubt his loyalty to the problem business agenda and the neo liberal EU.
So where do you stand on TPP?
 

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.... it won't be a illusion but fact and nothing to do with Imperial Britain.
Identity is important, as is the last say (when it's needed) on what constitutes your community, tribe or nation. But anyone who thinks the UK can return to a particular identity or version of sovereignty is denying how much the world has changed (not least from Britain's imperial heyday), but how it can also change in the future. If Scotland pulls out, there is no British identity any more. England will change (it will have to!). But, although it may enjoy certain gains, it will regain nothing.
 

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French Prime Minister Manuel Valls proclaims at the Jacques Delors Institute:

"We must not become a United States of Europe." or a Federal Europe if you will.

Each country needed to have its own identity. Or do as I say not do as I do, one could say.

Why do we need a common currency Manuel?

Juncker puts European jobs at risk warning firms no UK secret trade | World | News | Daily Express
None of them ever want a federal Europe, which would entail a legislature that writes the laws (not the executive), actual separation of powers, a singular elected executive that has accountability to the people who elected it, no oaths demanding allegiance to an artifice of a demos ("European" above native country), a charter of rights listed as so-called negative liberties (those that the people possess inherently and not granted or abridgeable by the government), ad libitum.

What they always wanted, as Jose Manuel Barroso admitted nine years ago (has it really been that long?), was an imperial Europe. Why else would they express respect for the UN Charter, which was based on the 1936 USSR constitution, never mind create a "supra-national" (imperial) government in that image?
 

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