We need to talk about the PSNI

McSlaggart

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 29, 2010
Messages
18,195
""People are giving us information but out of fear won't translate that into written statements and go into court and give evidence against these people," he said." {George Hamilton }

PSNI: 'UVF behind intimidation of Catholic families' - BBC News


Why does George need people to make statements when he could simply arrest them putting up flags on public property?

The fact that a lot of the time the people putting up flags do so in a dangerous manner such as using Cherry pickers on main roads is something that the PSNI need to address.

"zero tolerance policing" is not magic put it should be applied to people who are intimidating members of the public!

http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/tandi_pdf/tandi102.pdf
 


Itsalaugh

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 1, 2013
Messages
3,414
Hardline Republican must accept it's folly to target the PSNI. Whose agenda are they assisting, well, it's the former RUC SB who ran the Portadown and Mount Vernon UVF and entire UDA. Is it a coincidence that 4/5 people targeted by the new Republican organisations are CNR background and now again recruits are predominantly drawn from a pro Union background.
 

blokesbloke

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 13, 2011
Messages
22,697
Because flegs are a very low priority in the scheme of things.

Therefore the PSNI are not going to send a car round with lights and sirens to catch someone in the act of putting a fleg on a lamppost.

Therefore if nobody is prepared to give a statement about who put the fleg on the lamppost, then when the PSNI officers get there, they have no proof of who did so.

In any event, what is the offence? Some sort of planning law or health and safety breach?

The local council would deal with such matters.

I have a feeling the PSNI have bigger fish to fry than fleg-putter-uppers.

Ultimately whilst I totally understand people wanting to remain anonymous, that's not how the criminal justice system works.

Anonymous reports are useless. If you're not prepared to sign a statement you can't bitch when no action is taken.

I have said on this forum before I don't think any flegs should be put up on any lampposts. However expecting PSNI to intervene on the basis on anonymous reports is unrealistic.
 

vivabrigada

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 17, 2011
Messages
20,099
Because flegs are a very low priority in the scheme of things.

Therefore the PSNI are not going to send a car round with lights and sirens to catch someone in the act of putting a fleg on a lamppost.

Therefore if nobody is prepared to give a statement about who put the fleg on the lamppost, then when the PSNI officers get there, they have no proof of who did so.

In any event, what is the offence? Some sort of planning law or health and safety breach?

The local council would deal with such matters.

I have a feeling the PSNI have bigger fish to fry than fleg-putter-uppers.

Ultimately whilst I totally understand people wanting to remain anonymous, that's not how the criminal justice system works.

Anonymous reports are useless. If you're not prepared to sign a statement you can't bitch when no action is taken.

I have said on this forum before I don't think any flegs should be put up on any lampposts. However expecting PSNI to intervene on the basis on anonymous reports is unrealistic.
An anti a$$holery Act would help.
 

blokesbloke

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 13, 2011
Messages
22,697
An anti a$$holery Act would help.
Actually it wouldn't , for the same reason.

Let's say they pass an anti a$$holery Act for NI (at Westminster, presumably, since the Assembly members seem to be paid for doing shag all at the moment and don't feel like meeting and passing any laws).

And let's say the Anti A$$holery Act (Northern Ireland) 2017 states that anyone placing a fleg on a lamppost anywhere in NI shall be guilty of the offence of a&&holery.

Someone sees someone put up a fleg, rings PSNI and says "Someone is putting up a fleg in clear breach of the Anti A$$holery Act (Northern Ireland) 2017 in Prod Street, Queen Elizabeth Town, Londonderry/Derry".

The PSNI isn't going to send a car quickly to that. They're not going to redeploy cars from assaults, rapes, thefts etc. to arrest some a$$hole messing about with a fleg.

So when they get there, the fleg will be there, but the anonymous caller won't give a statement to say who put it up.

So the crime will be recorded and nothing further will be done, because the one person who could provide evidence of who committed the offence won't tell the police who did.
 

Ó Ghabhainn

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 2, 2009
Messages
3,123
Actually it wouldn't , for the same reason.

Let's say they pass an anti a$$holery Act for NI (at Westminster, presumably, since the Assembly members seem to be paid for doing shag all at the moment and don't feel like meeting and passing any laws).

And let's say the Anti A$$holery Act (Northern Ireland) 2017 states that anyone placing a fleg on a lamppost anywhere in NI shall be guilty of the offence of a&&holery.

Someone sees someone put up a fleg, rings PSNI and says "Someone is putting up a fleg in clear breach of the Anti A$$holery Act (Northern Ireland) 2017 in Prod Street, Queen Elizabeth Town, Londonderry/Derry".

The PSNI isn't going to send a car quickly to that. They're not going to redeploy cars from assaults, rapes, thefts etc. to arrest some a$$hole messing about with a fleg.

So when they get there, the fleg will be there, but the anonymous caller won't give a statement to say who put it up.

So the crime will be recorded and nothing further will be done, because the one person who could provide evidence of who committed the offence won't tell the police who did.
Unless cameras are employed to detect and deter common a$$holery.
 

CastleRay

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 20, 2015
Messages
9,162
Hardline Republican must accept it's folly to target the PSNI. Whose agenda are they assisting, well, it's the former RUC SB who ran the Portadown and Mount Vernon UVF and entire UDA. Is it a coincidence that 4/5 people targeted by the new Republican organisations are CNR background and now again recruits are predominantly drawn from a pro Union background.
By the end of the terror campaigns the RUC SB also pretty much ran the PIRA and INLA too. The new Republican organisations are largely run by the PSNI.
 

cricket

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 7, 2009
Messages
13,786
By the end of the terror campaigns the RUC SB also pretty much ran the PIRA and INLA too. The new Republican organisations are largely run by the PSNI.
Well, outsourcing has been all the rage for years now.
 

sgtharper

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 20, 2008
Messages
10,752

blokesbloke

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 13, 2011
Messages
22,697
Unless cameras are employed to detect and deter common a$$holery.
Yes CCTV could be useful, but it's not going to be practical to install it in very many residential streets.

Even if you do, they will be visible and so the flegger will cover their face.

Even if they don't, you're then assuming the PSNI will know exactly who the flegger is just by a CCTV image.

They may not... and again if nobody local is prepared to identify them from the CCTV, no prosecution will occur.

It's a very, very minor issue and it's always going to be a very minor issue. If it's the worse you can criticise PSNI for then PSNI is the best police force in the world.
 

NMunsterman

Well-known member
Joined
May 18, 2007
Messages
6,129
By the end of the terror campaigns the RUC SB also pretty much ran the PIRA and INLA too. The new Republican organisations are largely run by the PSNI.
Which, of course, is why they were able to successfully convict Gerry Adams for IRA membership - not to mention the very successful inside jobs such as the Baltic Exchange and Canary Wharf. :roll:
 

CastleRay

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 20, 2015
Messages
9,162
Which, of course, is why they were able to successfully convict Gerry Adams for IRA membership - not to mention the very successful inside jobs such as the Baltic Exchange and Canary Wharf. :roll:
The England campaign was run by South Armagh wasn't it? However, in the context being discussed it is indeed an interesting thing to wonder why the likes of Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness never spent long behind bars and who did rather well from the "peace". Hmmm.
 

sgtharper

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 20, 2008
Messages
10,752
What? Is this to prevent the flags being taken down, Sarge?
I was pointing out that CCTV is easily defeated as far as Identification is concerned, it may capture the incident itself but you won't necessarily be able to ID the suspects for the purpose of prosecution.
 

blokesbloke

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 13, 2011
Messages
22,697
What? Is this to prevent the flags being taken down, Sarge?
He's pointing out the limitations of CCTV in prosecuting an offence.

There's also nothing stopping the flegs being taken down.
 

McSlaggart

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 29, 2010
Messages
18,195
Because flegs are a very low priority in the scheme of things.
Not when they are a form of intimidation. The truth is it takes a lot of time for people to put flags up thus much opportunity for the PSNI to take action.
 

McSlaggart

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 29, 2010
Messages
18,195
It's a very, very minor issue and it's always going to be a very minor issue. If it's the worse you can criticise PSNI for then PSNI is the best police force in the world.
If you want to stop these people controlling parts of citys one must take action at every opportunity to put them in their place.
 

sgtharper

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 20, 2008
Messages
10,752
You can get convictions of people particular if they are wearing a balaclava. Modern Technology is a bitch.
Not on the basis of a facial ID you won't, which is what we're discussing here .
 


New Threads

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top