We were never meant to know how much our President spent mourning a dead Pope

vanla sighs

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The title in the thread is ridiculous, would the President ever be mourning a live Pope?

Getting hotels in Rome at the time of the Popes funeral, was a complete bunfight. Besides, what do people expect, the President should stay in a motel 6? That would be a bigger story.
The question remains why did they have to stay overnight at all? They have a f*****g Gulfstream, use it.
 


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The Mass and internment took most of a day.

There were hundreds of thousands of pilgrims in Rome for the funeral.

There were an enormous number of dignitaries present which would have meant very high levels of security and limited movement in and around the city for them.

Can you imagine the difficulty of getting them all out of Rome through the limited flight times for private planes at either airport, given the preponderance of additional charters for the pilgrims?

I am pretty sure it would have been nigh on impossible to just hop on the govt plane as you suggest.

Not in Rome of all places where organisation can be challenging.

Besides, I am sure there are diplomatic aspects post the funeral that would have to be attended to. It leaves a hell of an impression if you bugger off in a hurry from a funeral here at home, not to mind the funeral of a head of state. If you are going, then do it properly.
 

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The Mass and internment took most of a day.

There were hundreds of thousands of pilgrims in Rome for the funeral.

There were an enormous number of dignitaries present which would have meant very high levels of security and limited movement in and around the city for them.

Can you imagine the difficulty of getting them all out of Rome through the limited flight times for private planes at either airport, given the preponderance of additional charters for the pilgrims?

I am pretty sure it would have been nigh on impossible to just hop on the govt plane as you suggest.

Not in Rome of all places where organisation can be challenging.

Besides, I am sure there are diplomatic aspects post the funeral that would have to be attended to. It leaves a hell of an impression if you bugger off in a hurry from a funeral here at home, not to mind the funeral of a head of state. If you are going, then do it properly.
Diplomatic aspects post-ceremony? Such as? Retiring to the hotel bar for a piss up with the ambassador or something? Back to room to watch "Mandy Does Matt" (or should that be "Mary & Bertie Do Ireland") As for the hell of an impression you mentioned, it leaves a hell of an impression on the Irish taxpayer.

You mentioned the difficulty in getting "all" of them to the airpot - couldn't care less what the President or PM of any other country wanted to do, I'm talking about our "Royal family".

Too difficult to get to the airport? Give me a break. It's called advance planning. The Mass etc didn't happen the same day he died, theyhad time to plan. The movements of a head of State aren't dictated by a security cordon, if the President and hangers on wanted to fly home they could have, they had that option but they choose to stay in luxury for the night. This was a choice they made, a choice to waste taxpayers money. Just because something is difficult does not mean it cannot be done. They opted for the easy option at the taxpayers expense. That FF lackey c*** of a President we have should resign.
 
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I have absolute respect for the Pope and what he represents, but this lark of he being head of state is a joke. It was used to make British taxpayer pay for most of his trip to UK. Head of state of a small walled area with population of 800 people, resulting from concordat signed by Mussolini and Pope at time ? And should not church of man supposedly born in a stable divest itself of all this nonsense of embassies, ambassadors, nuncios etc,diplomatic service etc which costs so much in a world beset by poverty. Let it concentrate on the higher things,its function is spiritual not temporal.
 

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Vanla,

Ignoring the offensive tone of your post, I would point out to you that there is more to diplomacy than your characterization of it.

Notwithstanding even that, you should be aware that the Italian authorities would have been the ones coordinating departures at airfields etc and separately the Holy See would be expected to have a representative at each departure of a head of state.

Basic protocol.

That takes planning and would hardly have been possible immediately after an internment.

Stop letting your obvious anti-FF bias blind to you to what is actually involved.
 

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Vanla,

Ignoring the offensive tone of your post, I would point out to you that there is more to diplomacy than your characterization of it.

Notwithstanding even that, you should be aware that the Italian authorities would have been the ones coordinating departures at airfields etc and separately the Holy See would be expected to have a representative at each departure of a head of state.

Basic protocol.

That takes planning and would hardly have been possible immediately after an internment.

Stop letting your obvious anti-FF bias blind to you to what is actually involved.
Did the State contact the Italian authorities to tell them (not ask them) to tell them that the Irish delegation would be leaving that night? No? Why not? Because the President and Co decided to stay overnight at the taxpayers expense -simple as that. THEY made that choice.

All the great Holy See had to do was have one rep plonked at the airport all day - simple as that "bye, bye, come gain"...."bye,bye, come again"...."bye, bye, come again". If they didn't that's their problem, not the States problem. It is upto the host country to make sure a protocol representative welcome and see guests off. And by the way the airport isn't as you know in the Vatican. Let the Holy See protocol officials see off dignateries IN the Vatican - not in Italy. Let the Italian State have protocol officials at the airport.

Make all the excuses you like: the President, Bertie et al made the decision to stay overnight - they didn't have to. I've explained to you what could have been done. But oh no, it's so much easier to waste tax payers money.
 

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If the taxpayer is paying, it should be open to FOI, even to the Daily Mail.
 

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This tears a large hole in her argument from last week looking for greater effiency in the Public Service. Actions speak louder than words.
 

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The reason that the President's records are exempt from FOI is, I understand, to avoid the politicisation of the office, such as is at risk of happening now.

Imagine if you will a political party attacking the President for the cost of attending an event in the normal course of her duties (as this was); If the President is forced to defend him or herself, then they may well get dragged into a partisan political row which undermines the entire role and purpose of the office as envisaged in our constitution.

In a more extreme example, there may be internal records relating to such a visit not touching on expense but on more sensitive aspects, personnel etc which might fall into the same trap.

It is better that she be exempt or else the bloody Daily Mail will be after everything and trying to stir up trouble all the time.
We pay her wages. She is our employee. We have a right to see the receipts.
 

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Vanla,

Ignoring the offensive tone of your post, I would point out to you that there is more to diplomacy than your characterization of it.

Notwithstanding even that, you should be aware that the Italian authorities would have been the ones coordinating departures at airfields etc and separately the Holy See would be expected to have a representative at each departure of a head of state.

Basic protocol.

That takes planning and would hardly have been possible immediately after an internment.

Stop letting your obvious anti-FF bias blind to you to what is actually involved.
Classic Legalese. How much do you charge per post?
 

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This tears a large hole in her argument from last week looking for greater effiency in the Public Service. Actions speak louder than words.
She's a two faced, hypocritical, condescending b****. She is in bed with the rest of them. She'll ride the mercs and perks just like the rest of them. Effiencies start at home, Mary love.
 
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Just because it is secret what the President spends, doesn't mean she can waste our money.

Dirty weekends away with hibbie shouldn't be paid by the State, and when she is on official business abroad, she should stay at the Ambassador's residence.
 

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As I have posted previously, Queen Motormouth's Roman junket bill was among the smaller ones that she has incurred during her 13 years of parasiting off the Irish Taxpayer. Naturally, her excesses are shielded from the prying eyes of the Irish taxpayer (her employers - ha!) by the Freedom of Information Act.

The minion in the Department of Health who accidentally released the information regarding this junket (presumably the original FoI request related to Slobbo's travel expenses, rather than to Motormouth's) should be commended for his/her public spirited work and promoted on the spot.

Advice to journalists - if you want to find out the costs of other Motormouth junkets then why not use the FoI Act to extract details on the expenses of the accompanying Ministers and lackeys, rather than those of her serene excellency herself?
 
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Religious bigotry and hatred.

The usual reasons for these threads.
Yeah, we're really bigotted and hateful in wanting to have some transparency and accountability in public office :rolleyes: How dare we question our masters, serfs that we are.
 

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Religious bigotry and hatred.

The usual reasons for these threads.

Moronic post.

Her Roman junket expenses are being discussed because they have come into the public domain - details of the costs of her other junkets abroad aren't available because she is protected by the FoI Act.

If the details of her expenses to any other country in the world that she has graced with her presence were released, then they would be discussed with equal enthusiasm.
 

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Just because it is secret what the President spends, doesn't mean she can waste our money.

Dirty weekends away with hibbie shouldn't be paid by the State, and when she is on official business abroad, she should stay at the Ambassador's residence.
Hope she does not throw a "strop"
 


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