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Keera

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“it's hard to see ex-prisoners destitute when the leadership are so wealthy and have holiday homes."

Hughes mentions Kieran Nugent, the first IRA man on the Blanket protest in Long Kesh. "Kieran died in 2000. They called him a 'river rat' because he spent his last days drinking by the river in Poleglass.

"Why didn't somebody in the movement not see he'd problems and help him? He was the bravest of the brave. The screws ordered him to wear the prison uniform and he replied, 'You'll have to nail it to my back.'"

Here.
 


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its a very good article, and certainly evokes sympathy. But it presumes the reader views paramilitary prisoners as POWs or political prisoners. But when you consider that some of these prisoners chose to go out and shoot people, or blow people apart, and anyone else who did that would get life imprisonment, but these guys get released to cheers and fanfare because their paramilitary group swore it would kill more people unless they were released, and they don't seem to regret having killed the people they killed, such an article, portraying them as hard done by, is a little harder to stomach.
 

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Libero said:
*Counts seconds till someone has a dig at Suzanne Breen*
Suzanne Breen is a critic of the SF leadership,it's what she does(when she's not talking up the DUP leadership).That said nobody should be surprised that the conflict has taken its toll on those most directly involved and that can be expressed in financial, mental health and relationship problems.SF have limited resources to address that from their side and getting more isn't exactly politically popular.Ex prisoner support groups are doing what they can in that context...but suppose it's easier for Breen to talk about holiday homes in Donegal.
 
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I think the headline of this thread and the agenda of the journalist who penned the story it refers to is not really the core issue here.

I think the core issue is that a number of former combatants have been unable to make sense of their life outside of combat and as civilians. The last days of Kieran Nugent is indeed a tragedy. If anyone described him as a "river rat", then that is profoundly regrettable and ignorant of the struggles and misfortune that some souls endure.

The reality of all wars or conflicts is that what was comradery at one point in time in the heat of battle or struggle can evaporate in normal circumstances. How many of us have grown apart from friends, even close friends as our lives progressed and our circumstances and outlooks change. This is a reality of life.

Most republican former combatants have been able to successfully adapt to civilian life and normal political campaigning. A small minority have not. However, their contribution to our struggle should never be diminished because of this. I regret that people like Brendan Hughes choose to cooperate with journalists like Suzanne Breen to attack the integrity of their former comrades.

I know many many former combatants, all of whom support the peace strategy. None of them are "wealthy elite". There are remarkably few of them that I could describe as materially wealthy. Particularly those in leadership positions.

The real story here is that tragically life leaves behind some people. People who were great at one stage.

Is republicanism unique. I don't think so.

Diego Maradona. Whitney Houston. etc
 

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Cormac Donaghey said:
the reality of all wars or conflicts is that what was comradery at one point in time in the heat of battle or struggle can evaporate in normal circumstances. How many of us have grown apart from friends, even close friends as our lives progressed and our circumstances and outlooks change. This is a reality of life.
indeed, more Falkland Island veterans committed suicide in the twenty years after the war than were killed during it. There's a particular story about several Parachute Regiment vets who became drug addicts after the war, then to finance their habit, and to feed their PTSD and lust for adventure, started dealing as well as buying, only they went straight to the source, Scarface-style, and set up a network from Colombia. I don't know how exaggerated that story is, but I read a magazine article interviewing one of them, who said it was prison that got him back on the straight and narrow, as he needed the disciplined way of life.

I also read somewhere that while the Americans only lost 58,000 men in vietnam, 300,000 veterans have since committed suicide. That sounds hugely exaggerated, since it would amount to 10% of all Vietnam veterans, but I guess its possible
 

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It’s sad, but alas they were “Volunteers”, not paid soldiers, anybody who joined the Army knew this.
I find it hard to accept that criminality can be explained away as an acceptable symptom because of former involvement in the Army, and even harder to accept that Brendan Hughes would say so. I think this article is meant as a rebuttal to the Easter Statement by the IRA, I don’t accept its thesis.
 

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Very sad article, Ive little or no time for the men politically, but its still sad to see what the men have been reduced to.
 

savage

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Brennars(The Nationalist)

(its sad,but alas they were volunteers)brendan you miss the point all together that Ms.Breen makes,iv no time for her but the points she makes are very true,the leadership of your party too were once volunteers of that org.,i dont have a prob with this,but your leadership do own holiday homes in Donegal.Gerry A,Pat Doc,Martin Mc,and Gerry Kelly are but to name a few.FACT
 
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Re: Brennars(The Nationalist)

savage said:
(its sad,but alas they were volunteers)brendan you miss the point all together that Ms.Breen makes,iv no time for her but the points she makes are very true,the leadership of your party too were once volunteers of that org.,i dont have a prob with this,but your leadership do own holiday homes in Donegal.Gerry A,Pat Doc,Martin Mc,and Gerry Kelly are but to name a few.FACT
Actually it is not "FACT".

But even if all four actually did own a holiday home in Donegal, So what. None of them are what is commonly understood to be materially wealthy or the wealthy elite.

Substantial financial reward for promotion is to be found in every other political party in this Island with the exception of Sinn Féin. FACT
 

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Wealth is relative. FACT. They're doing a lot better than Brendan Hughes and other individuals who weren't loyal to the leadership.
 

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Cormac,il think you;ll find it is fact,but as you;ve said whats the problem with that,that leadership doesnt deny this so i dont see why you do,with reference to your other point about financial rewards with success in other parties i think youll find the point being made was that brendan said that the org. was voluntary which it is,then how can these people belong to that org.
 

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Re: Brennars(The Nationalist)

Cormac Donaghey said:
savage said:
(its sad,but alas they were volunteers)brendan you miss the point all together that Ms.Breen makes,iv no time for her but the points she makes are very true,the leadership of your party too were once volunteers of that org.,i dont have a prob with this,but your leadership do own holiday homes in Donegal.Gerry A,Pat Doc,Martin Mc,and Gerry Kelly are but to name a few.FACT
Actually it is not "FACT".

But even if all four actually did own a holiday home in Donegal, So what. None of them are what is commonly understood to be materially wealthy or the wealthy elite.

Substantial financial reward for promotion is to be found in every other political party in this Island with the exception of Sinn Féin. FACT
Maybe Adams should put out a statement stating the house in Donegal he has had in Donegal for many years was in fact left to him by a previous owner :roll:
 
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savage said:
Cormac,il think you;ll find it is fact,but as you;ve said whats the problem with that,that leadership doesnt deny this so i dont see why you do,with reference to your other point about financial rewards with success in other parties i think youll find the point being made was that brendan said that the org. was voluntary which it is,then how can these people belong to that org.
Well for posterity neither Pat Doherty or Martin McGuiness own a holiday home in Donegal. Indeed the only one I am sure owns a holiday home in Donegal is Gerry Adams. Best selling books help I suppose.

As for your other point well could you make it again as I am not sure what exactly it is that you are trying to say.
 
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mbari hogun said:
Wealth is relative. FACT. They're doing a lot better than Brendan Hughes and other individuals who weren't loyal to the leadership.
I would refer you to my earlier post about the daft assertion that the economic status of republican former combatants is determined by their perspective on the present peace strategy.
 

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(best selling book i suppose),hypocrite the both of you, if you believe the money raised from one of nine books should be used on the purchase of property by himself,surely a person as committed to the cause would donate the money bck to the movement.and yes he should release a statement on this,does he allow one of the many people of no property(or 2)stay here when not in use by himself
 
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savage said:
(best selling book i suppose),hypocrite the both of you, if you believe the money raised from one of nine books should be used on the purchase of property by himself,surely a person as committed to the cause would donate the money bck to the movement.and yes he should release a statement on this,does he allow one of the many people of no property(or 2)stay here when not in use by himself
So do i take it that you acknowledge that you were wrong in your earlier posts?

And could you make that point about voluntary whatever in a way that I can make sense of again.
 

savage

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Were did you get that idea from,im not sayin its from the proceeds of crime,but stated they do own these homes.im not tryin to sling mud at the leadershipand damage them in some way,i think youll soon see they do that pretty good themselves
 

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