Well known "journalist" Una Mullally contrasts suicide to road deaths?

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Last week there was a lot of coverage over the self harming stats which highlighted that more females self harm than males which is fair enough although they could have mentioned that if the same event happened to a girl and a boy, the girl is more likely to "act in" whereas the boy might "act out" but however. So today we have Una's piece which compares suicide to roads deaths and Im not seeing a great connection here, she might as well have compared suicide to a reduction in food poising or reduction in terrorism in Ireland since the 90's

Also what stood out was not a mention of men anywhere in the article, given the gendered nature of suicide going by numbers, if 80% of suicides were women she would have been singing it from the rooftops. Based on googling a few articles the Irish media seems to be better at highlighting the fact that suicide affects men vastly more than women in contrast to the UK media which appears to focus on the over all stats and not break them down (see guardian headline below)

given that Una gets to write for "the paper of record" should she be derided for writing such rubbish on a serious topic, or does this just cement the view that the mainstream media is garbage and best not looked to for any serious analysis?



Una Mullally: If we can cut road deaths, we can tackle suicide



Several things conspired to help solve Ireland’s road fatality crisis, but none of it would have happened without the political will that created funding, legislation, new policing powers, and a new agency to tackle the problem once and for all. What happened was an example – and unfortunately a rare one – of that illusive “joined-up thinking” we hear so much about. It wasn’t a coincidence.

Road deaths no longer happen every day, but suicides certainly do. In 2014, there were 459 suicides in Ireland. In 2013 there were 487. Suicides declined between 2003 and 2007, but rose during the worst years of the recession, with 552 cases in 2009 and 554 in 2011. However, the suicide rate actually peaked in 2001.
Typical Guardian headline

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/may/12/number-of-suicides-in-england-and-wales-last-year-reaches-20-year-high

Number of suicides in England and Wales reaches 20-year high


Prince William meets mental health charity after figures show number of female suicides rose sharply in 2015
graph not found in the IT's article today

 


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Last week there was a lot of coverage over the self harming stats which highlighted that more females self harm than males which is fair enough although they could have mentioned that if the same event happened to a girl and a boy, the girl is more likely to "act in" whereas the boy might "act out" but however. So today we have Una's piece which compares suicide to roads deaths and Im not seeing a great connection here, she might as well have compared suicide to a reduction in food poising or reduction in terrorism in Ireland since the 90's

Also what stood out was not a mention of men anywhere in the article, given the gendered nature of suicide going by numbers, if 80% of suicides were women she would have been singing it from the rooftops. Based on googling a few articles the Irish media seems to be better at highlighting the fact that suicide affects men vastly more than women in contrast to the UK media which appears to focus on the over all stats and not break them down (see guardian headline below)

given that Una gets to write for "the paper of record" should she be derided for writing such rubbish on a serious topic, or does this just cement the view that the mainstream media is garbage and best not looked to for any serious analysis?



Una Mullally: If we can cut road deaths, we can tackle suicide





Typical Guardian headline

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/may/12/number-of-suicides-in-england-and-wales-last-year-reaches-20-year-high



graph not found in the IT's article today

Bolded part sums it up.

You were correct in labelling her a 'journalist', she is just someone with opinions which have no more or less value than what is posted on here.
 

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'Journalists' with the 'quality' output of her(and many more there) is the main reason the IT is suffering so much in the circulation figures , she is barely of the standard of a school going blogger. And I say that with no offence meant to teenage bloggers.
 

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Last week there was a lot of coverage over the self harming stats which highlighted that more females self harm than males which is fair enough although they could have mentioned that if the same event happened to a girl and a boy, the girl is more likely to "act in" whereas the boy might "act out" but however. So today we have Una's piece which compares suicide to roads deaths and Im not seeing a great connection here, she might as well have compared suicide to a reduction in food poising or reduction in terrorism in Ireland since the 90's

Also what stood out was not a mention of men anywhere in the article, given the gendered nature of suicide going by numbers, if 80% of suicides were women she would have been singing it from the rooftops. Based on googling a few articles the Irish media seems to be better at highlighting the fact that suicide affects men vastly more than women in contrast to the UK media which appears to focus on the over all stats and not break them down (see guardian headline below)

given that Una gets to write for "the paper of record" should she be derided for writing such rubbish on a serious topic, or does this just cement the view that the mainstream media is garbage and best not looked to for any serious analysis?



Una Mullally: If we can cut road deaths, we can tackle suicide





Typical Guardian headline

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/may/12/number-of-suicides-in-england-and-wales-last-year-reaches-20-year-high



graph not found in the IT's article today

You do know that journalists don't just get to write and publish what they want right? They have to submit outlines and drafts to editorial which are fact checked and checked for legalities.

Fair enough if you don't agree with the article or even like the journalist in question, but attacking her personally for a piece she's been paid to write as an employee seems like you are hijacking a serious issue to promote your own agenda.

If you want to make a serious point about suicide and gender then make it, but so far all you seem to be doing is complaining that other people haven't made that point.
 

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Miss Mullaly and the Irish Times are a perfect combination.

I trust she will continue to write for them when it ends up a free paper handed out at left wing protests.
 
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You do know that journalists don't just get to write and publish what they want right? They have to submit outlines and drafts to editorial which are fact checked and checked for legalities.

Fair enough if you don't agree with the article or even like the journalist in question, but attacking her personally for a piece she's been paid to write as an employee seems like you are hijacking a serious issue to promote your own agenda.

If you want to make a serious point about suicide and gender then make it, but so far all you seem to be doing is complaining that other people haven't made that point.
she is a big girl, she can stand over what she writes, no more agenda then that.
 

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You do know that journalists don't just get to write and publish what they want right? They have to submit outlines and drafts to editorial which are fact checked and checked for legalities.

Fair enough if you don't agree with the article or even like the journalist in question, but attacking her personally for a piece she's been paid to write as an employee seems like you are hijacking a serious issue to promote your own agenda.

If you want to make a serious point about suicide and gender then make it, but so far all you seem to be doing is complaining that other people haven't made that point.
Ms. Mullaly has never promoted an agenda in her life - only the facts, delivered with cold reasoning and an eye to the tr.......


Sorry, what was I on about?
 

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You do know that journalists don't just get to write and publish what they want right? They have to submit outlines and drafts to editorial which are fact checked and checked for legalities.
Do you really think that if Una had included some reference to the fact that over 80% of suicide victims are men, editorial would have objected?

The idiocy of Mullally's piece is only made worse because for all her talk about road death statistics, she also doesn't acknowledge the fact that car crash is a common suicide method. It's inherently difficult to judge how many suicides of this type occur, but in this article from the Examiner in 2013, a professor of trauma orthopaedic surgery estimated as many as 10% of single vehicle crashes could be suicide attempts:

10% of single vehicle crashes are
 

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Have not read her articles in a while , the theme of all of them was just relentless victimhood.

Has she grown out of that phase yet? i.e. non stop complaining of victimhood because she is a woman , or because she is gay or because she is a gay woman.

Every article was about how downtrodden females or gay's were and how there was discrimination everywhere, in other words the typical IT article.

When she was sick a few years ago she even wrote an article complaining that her type of cancer was discriminated against as comparison to the focus on other types of cancer.

Even then the need to claim chief victimhood status over 'normal' cancer sufferers seemed to overwhelming in her.
 

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You do know that journalists don't just get to write and publish what they want right? They have to submit outlines and drafts to editorial which are fact checked and checked for legalities.

Fair enough if you don't agree with the article or even like the journalist in question, but attacking her personally for a piece she's been paid to write as an employee seems like you are hijacking a serious issue to promote your own agenda.

If you want to make a serious point about suicide and gender then make it, but so far all you seem to be doing is complaining that other people haven't made that point.
It's filed under 'Opinion' of which she has in spades.

As for the article, utter rubbish. She seems to think that if only the state could get its act together it might save a few lives.

Fair enough, a solid and admirable position to take, but she just trails off in a meander to nothing. It's a bit like saying that if only people didn't do bad things the world would be a nicer place.

Its not journalism, its simply her trying to finding something to write on a Monday, perhaps she has a busy weekend and is a bit poorly today?

The reality is that comparing suicide to road deaths is at very best, pointless. As well to compare lawn chairs lifespans and quality of budgie seed.

If attacking the nonsense that passes for journalism amounts to attacking her then I am guilty as charge - I also hold the same amount of derision for her male counterpart in the Indo, Ian O'Doherty, another idiot spouting opinions.
 

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Una Mullally is a journalist and broadcaster living in Dublin. She primarily writes features, and is particularly interested in popular culture, music, contemporary theatre, online trends, television, feminism and LGBT issues.
She blogs about popular culture for The Irish Times at PopLife. She frequently appears on various national media outlets, and presents an alternative music programme for TG4 called Ceol ar an Imeall (Music on the Edge). Before writing for the Irish Times, she was a staff reporter and columnist with The Sunday Tribune and a columnist with The Dubliner.
Quite a CV!
 

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Should be filed in a section called "Whinge".
Its a pity this board didn't have a whinge forum where Mr. "************************ Islam" and his ilk's threads could be stored and ignored.
 

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she is a big girl, she can stand over what she writes, no more agenda then that.
Ms. Mullaly has never promoted an agenda in her life - only the facts, delivered with cold reasoning and an eye to the tr.......


Sorry, what was I on about?
Do you really think that if Una had included some reference to the fact that over 80% of suicide victims are men, editorial would have objected?

The idiocy of Mullally's piece is only made worse because for all her talk about road death statistics, she also doesn't acknowledge the fact that car crash is a common suicide method. It's inherently difficult to judge how many suicides of this type occur, but in this article from the Examiner in 2013, a professor of trauma orthopaedic surgery estimated as many as 10% of single vehicle crashes could be suicide attempts:

10% of single vehicle crashes are
I think the whole thread including the title with the quotation marks around journalist is an excuse to bash an outspoken female working in the media.

The comparison between road deaths and suicide has been made frequently, in fact I've seen it posted here on threads on the topic of suicide in the past.

Both the argument and the statistics used make it quite clear that there is a connection between public policy and the reduction in road deaths and, in the last paragraph, she supports the complexities inherent in the comparison.

Even if you don't let common sense prevail, there are studies to support the idea that economic conditions led to the dramatic increase in suicide during the recession which were no doubt used as source material.

Number of suicides in Ireland rose 7% last year, CSO figures reveal

THE NUMBER of suicides registered in Ireland rose to 525 in 2011, an increase of 7 per cent on the previous year, according to data from the Central Statistics Office.

A total of 439 men and 86 women were recorded as having taken their own lives, the majority of whom were aged 15-44.
The figures are contained in the CSO Vital Statistics report for 2011 published yesterday, which collates the numbers of births, deaths and marriages registered in Ireland last year.

President of the Irish Association of Suicidology (IAS) Dan Neville TD said the figures were “frightening but not surprising” given the impact the economy was having on mental health, especially among young men.

“The recession has had a huge impact on people’s wellbeing. Those who lose their jobs, experience a drastic reduction in their income or are in danger of losing their home experience a lot of anxiety, despair and depression. Relationship difficulties and marriage breakdown can follow on from that. We should be identifying and responding to these problems in the community as quickly as possible.” Mr Neville said the true figure for suicides would be closer to 600 when “undetermined” deaths were taken into account.
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Road deaths have been forced down by strict application of the law & fear- esp in relation to drunk driving, speed, faulty cars etc. Nonsense to say suicide can be likewise reduced.
 

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Did the IT ever give an official reason why they restricted comments on their website to paying members only?

It is obvious the real reason is the over 90% were always very critical of the output bemoaning how low in quality the paper had gotten over the years. And the substandard work of the majority of contributors to the paper.

It was still mostly negative comments after that move but just a lot less comments in general.
 

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Road deaths have been forced down by strict application of the law & fear- esp in relation to drunk driving, speed, faulty cars etc. Nonsense to say suicide can be likewise reduced.
Exactly. I couldn't give a hoot about her or the IT, but I do care about people publishing moronic puff pieces over simplifying a national tragedy.
 

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Una Mullally is a journalist and broadcaster living in Dublin. She primarily writes features, and is particularly interested in popular culture, music, contemporary theatre, online trends, television, feminism and LGBT issues.
She blogs about popular culture for The Irish Times at PopLife. She frequently appears on various national media outlets, and presents an alternative music programme for TG4 called Ceol ar an Imeall (Music on the Edge). Before writing for the Irish Times, she was a staff reporter and columnist with The Sunday Tribune and a columnist with The Dubliner.
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Road deaths have been forced down by strict application of the law & fear- esp in relation to drunk driving, speed, faulty cars etc. Nonsense to say suicide can be likewise reduced.
indeed law and better roads, a much less open system than "life" , whats the plan here? make attempts a crime? at then end of the day you can re engineer roads to reduce deaths, society ist going to reengineer itself to solve the problems of a tiny minority so its a different kind of problem
 

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I think the whole thread including the title with the quotation marks around journalist is an excuse to bash an outspoken female working in the media.

The comparison between road deaths and suicide has been made frequently, in fact I've seen it posted here on threads on the topic of suicide in the past.

Both the argument and the statistics used make it quite clear that there is a connection between public policy and the reduction in road deaths and, in the last paragraph, she supports the complexities inherent in the comparison.

Even if you don't let common sense prevail, there are studies to support the idea that economic conditions led to the dramatic increase in suicide during the recession which were no doubt used as source material.

Number of suicides in Ireland rose 7% last year, CSO figures reveal

You must be a member of the Una Mullaly Mutual Admitation Society!



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