Westminster Cannot Stop a No-Deal Brexit

Dearghoul

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Yerra Sukov a chroi,
'As it leaves the EU will it encourage others to follow suit?'

I'd say that it probably won't.

I'll take your wager on no-one else joining thereafter.

What kind of stakes and odds did you have in mind?
 


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Dream on. How the old “pro-anti” EU framing becomes obsolete after EU elections | VoteWatch



Balkan countries are continuing negotiating with the EU. I am sure Ukraine will continue negotiations, though any union with Ukraine is a long way off. Brexit Britain will soon find to its dismay that it not the centre of the world, and Boris can shove his "new golden age" up his hole.

How many countries are queuing up to join Putin's farcical Eurasian Economic Union by the way? Any chance of him taking 12 million Turks? ;)
Very few 'relevant' political forces. How about the majority of the people... is that a 'relevant' political force in your book? ;)
 

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Very few 'relevant' political forces. How about the majority of the people... is that a 'relevant' political force in your book? ;)
I don;t know what you are babbling about.

Go open a thread on Tajikistan's application to join Putin's Eurasian Economic Union. If an EU (or an EEU) is good enough for Putin, then it should be good enough for anyone.

 

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'Never, ever try to bluff the EU'

writes Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

This veteran journalist seems to have a clear sighted view of the EU's faults ( a 'caesaropapist structure' and a 'missionary press corps')

but also considerable respect for the EU's slow plodding decision-making and experience of wearing down fire-breathing populists waving their 'popular mandates' ( Boris's slimmer than most).

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard sees the game plan as,' EU elites would offer Brexit concessions worthy of the name if they concluded their most lucrative market( a £95bn surplus) and biggest defence player was going to be absorbed into the American orbit permanently.'
Trump is already pushing this, adding to the dilemmas facing a UK government, mostly unfamiliar with office
Trump: US and UK working on 'very substantial' deal
Of course, is falling into the orbit of America First really the British people's understanding of 'take control'? Has Boris seen 'Love Actually'?

His second scenario is, 'Boris presents himself to Berlin and Paris as that authentic Brexiteer who can deliver a majority in the HOC, so long as the EU gives him a surgical change on the Irish backstop.'
This sounds a bit like, he gets a change of title rather than a pay rise. Boris has arguably closed the door on that fudge himself with fiery rhetoric and ( his actions speaking louder than his words) the appointment of an activist Brexiteer cabinet, who with snubbed remainers are quite a threat to him.
With every evidence, like his hero/role model, Winston Churchill, of thoroughly enjoying high office, I'd guess Boris's number one aim is to remain Prime Minister, even among the wreckage.
 

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Except of course by dumping him out in a vote of no confidence. That would make a GE all but inevitable after which anything even a withdrawal of Art 50 would be possible.

A GE would fulfil the precondition for a further extension, and as has been established that could be requested by the 'Queen in Parliament'
And with a GE it could very well end up as a Tory and Brexit party coalition and the Labour party devastated.
 

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And with a GE it could very well end up as a Tory and Brexit party coalition and the Labour party devastated.
A large proportion of the tory vote were remainers. If Johnson stands aside for Brexit Party in Labour seats are you expecting all them to allign with Farage who they consider as one of the chief catalysts that brought increased instability to their declining country.
I dont think Labour can reach 40% again but 35% is rock solid for Corbyns Labour facing a neoliberal buffoon such as Johnson.
 

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And with a GE it could very well end up as a Tory and Brexit party coalition and the Labour party devastated.
As a general observation on a GE in the UK and polls on party popularity:

First past the post makes the UK elections a lot like the US presidential electoral college votes. Only swing constituencies matter. Popular vote is irrelevant.

So this makes it chaotic. What is needed in any GE is for the Lab and lib Dems to come out and say " we will hold a second referendum" . And then to agree to not compete in constituencies where the vote could be split.

That could kill brexit, but such selfless actions by MPs is unlikely.
 

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As a general observation on a GE in the UK and polls on party popularity:

First past the post makes the UK elections a lot like the US presidential electoral college votes. Only swing constituencies matter. Popular vote is irrelevant.

So this makes it chaotic. What is needed in any GE is for the Lab and lib Dems to come out and say " we will hold a second referendum" . And then to agree to not compete in constituencies where the vote could be split.

That could kill brexit, but such selfless actions by MPs is unlikely.
The Brexit party could hammer the shit out of the Labour party, factor that in. Corbyn is a spoofer and a piss poor one at that and would be trashed in a TV debacle. In fact in a TV debate Farage would wipe the floor with both the Tories and labour.
 

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I would imagine that a Corbyn /Johnson debate would reveal a whole load of Johnson inconsistencies but that the headlines in the morning sewer, Mail, Express etc. would herald a great Jonson triumph based on some single inconsistency in Corbyns platform with a humorous dismissive one liner.

In many respects Corbyn is too good for what's about to unfold and should really stand aside in favour of someone with some killer instinct from the world of normal.
 

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And with a GE it could very well end up as a Tory and Brexit party coalition and the Labour party devastated.
Personally I'd expect the Labour Party to be devastated given their inaction on the most critical issue to face Blighty since the loss of Northern America.

The government or official opposition will be formed by the LD's.

That much is becoming clear.
 

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The Brexit party could hammer the shit out of the Labour party, factor that in. Corbyn is a spoofer and a piss poor one at that and would be trashed in a TV debacle. In fact in a TV debate Farage would wipe the floor with both the Tories and labour.
Corbyn has to go. He is toxic to the UK and the main reason the lunatic fringe of the Tories are ascendant.

Farage could be destroyed if journalists and the courts did their job. He is a bought and paid for shill of malignant interested parties who want to carve up britain.
 

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I would imagine that a Corbyn /Johnson debate would reveal a whole load of Johnson inconsistencies but that the headlines in the morning sewer, Mail, Express etc. would herald a great Jonson triumph based on some single inconsistency in Corbyns platform with a humorous dismissive one liner.

In many respects Corbyn is too good for what's about to unfold and should really stand aside in favour of someone with some killer instinct from the world of normal.
He's not too good at anything. He is a useless and egotistical beta male without the intelligence to realise that the country needs a sane adult moderate at the helm.

Agree that said sane person needs to be a ruthless pr1ck at this stage.
 


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