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What a crap health service


controller

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:mad:This is my little story about our health service
We applied for a medical card for our young son who is now 11 months old, and has Down Syndrome. He has a hole in his heart, needs glasses, has problems with his hearing, and has had kidney problems. But I was informed that he still was not entitled to a medical card. (Just how sick do you need to be)? The T.D.s are up in the Dail shedding crocodile tears over the victims of childhood abuse, shouting "this will never happen again", while at the same time our handicapped children / adults are being denied services that are essential. I got in touch with one of my local T.Ds, whom I used to know well before he entered politics. After 2 - 3 months of phone calls, many e-mails, we got a phone call from the HSE, that our baby would indeed be getting a medical card, but only for 1 year, after which time his case will be reviewed. Now I think that it is wrong that we had to evoke anybodies help. I have been told that if we lived in different parts of the country, that we would have got a medical card by right.
I believe that if Mata Harney is ruining our health service and I hate the way that we treat our youngest and most vulnerable

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libertarian-right

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Sorry for your troubles, the more people who hear this story, the more chance of our country ridding us of FF. Go to your local TD who you think is the best and explain your story.
 

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I believe that if Mata Harney was not spending all her budget on doughnuts & mars bars (just look at her) we might have a better service
Idiot.
 

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:mad:This is my little story about our health service
We applied for a medical card for our young son who is now 11 months old, and has Down Syndrome. He has a hole in his heart, needs glasses, has problems with his hearing, and has had kidney problems. But I was informed that he still was not entitled to a medical card. (Just how sick do you need to be)? The T.D.s are up in the Dail shedding crocodile tears over the victims of childhood abuse, shouting "this will never happen again", while at the same time our handicapped children / adults are being denied services that are essential. I got in touch with one of my local T.Ds, whom I used to know well before he entered politics. After 2 - 3 months of phone calls, many e-mails, we got a phone call from the HSE, that our baby would indeed be getting a medical card, but only for 1 year, after which time his case will be reviewed. Now I think that it is wrong that we had to evoke anybodies help. I have been told that if we lived in different parts of the country, that we would have got a medical card by right.
I believe that if Mata Harney was not spending all her budget on doughnuts & mars bars (just look at her) we might have a better service, and I hate the way that we treat our youngest and most vulnerable

Rant over
And they are given to over 70's who's income is less than €36k(single).

This really makes me mad.
 

sauntersplash

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Horrendous. Write to every TD and Minister. Write to every relevant consultant Doctor. Phone Joe Duffy. Letter to the editor of the Times. This is unacceptable, it needs to be resolved and people need to know about it.
 

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:mad:This is my little story about our health service
We applied for a medical card for our young son who is now 11 months old, and has Down Syndrome. He has a hole in his heart, needs glasses, has problems with his hearing, and has had kidney problems. But I was informed that he still was not entitled to a medical card. (Just how sick do you need to be)? The T.D.s are up in the Dail shedding crocodile tears over the victims of childhood abuse, shouting "this will never happen again", while at the same time our handicapped children / adults are being denied services that are essential. I got in touch with one of my local T.Ds, whom I used to know well before he entered politics. After 2 - 3 months of phone calls, many e-mails, we got a phone call from the HSE, that our baby would indeed be getting a medical card, but only for 1 year, after which time his case will be reviewed. Now I think that it is wrong that we had to evoke anybodies help. I have been told that if we lived in different parts of the country, that we would have got a medical card by right.
I believe that if Mata Harney was not spending all her budget on doughnuts & mars bars (just look at her) we might have a better service, and I hate the way that we treat our youngest and most vulnerable

Rant over
You have a valid grievance and a way to highlight it would be to get an opposition TD in your constituency (or any opposition TD) to ask a PQ in the Dail of the Minister for Health.

(BTW, in my opinion, you undermine your valid point with unnecessary personal comments about the Minister for Health. Stick to political points and the content of your post with receive the respect it deserves.)
 

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(BTW, in my opinion, you undermine your valid point with unnecessary personal comments about the Minister for Health. Stick to political points and the content of your post with receive the respect it deserves.)
Noted, edited and corrected. Thankyou for your correct observation
 

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Excellent contribution. You might stop shooting at messengers and listen to what they have to say instead. The OP is justifiably angry and the remark was not very nice but under the circumstances understandable.
The OP hasn't given any indication of his/her means, which is obviously critical to any discussion about medical cards. Furthermore, the observation that they would have been given a card by right in another part of the country is pants.

Harney is a disgrace and we all know this but I suppose the apologists have to make something out of it...
In what way has Medical Card eligibility changed since Harney took over?

Harney's 2 initiatives re. medical cards were to introduce a doctor only card, which has extended coverage, and to try and take the medical card back from wealthy pensioners, in order that more resources would be available to the likes of the OP.

I have no doubt that there are plenty of people of who should have cards who don't (eg the OP) but laying the blame at Harney's door, and personalising around her weight problem, isn' t justified.

And I'll repeat my challenge to you re. Harney:

Present evidence of any part of the Health Service that is worse today than it was in 2004.
 

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Furthermore, the observation that they would have been given a card by right in another part of the country is pants.
Actually no.......I know parents with DS children, who have moved location just to be eligible for a medical card. they were told that in one location that they woukd not get a medical card, but other parts of the country have different rules. There is no set criteria in the country for assessing if children with DS should get medical cards. I know, because I have banged my head off a brick wall trying. I went to my local T.D. who did help, but my point was that I should never have to go near him.
We were means tested, I was told that I had failed, but I cannot afford €65 every time our son is sick, and he is sick a lot.
As for Mata Harney and her health service, read "Irish Apartheid. Healthcare Inequality in Ireland"
 

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I have been told that if we lived in different parts of the country, that we would have got a medical card by right.
This may be a memory of the old health board system, where there was discretion on when exactly a medical card would be handed out on grounds of need. There could be variation in how exactly each region handed out cards. When you think about it, the concept of a regional authority would be pretty meaningless if they couldn't make local decisions.

Clearly, the existence of a single authority in the shape of the HSE should change that. But I honestly don't know if they've actually centralised medical card administration.

I think the key point is yeah, absolutely. Your child sounds like exactly the kind of person you'd expect to be getting a card, regardless of household income. After all, its the child who is covered by the card. I take it that you would still need to pay for your own GP visits and whatnot.

Is there any chance that the exemption from the income levy for medical card holders is making the HSE wary of handing them out to high earning households? I mean, personally, you could stuff the medical services the card gives you, the tax benefit would be reason enough to get one.

Again, that has nothing to do with your case, as its the holder of the card who is levy-exempt, not the parents. But I just wonder if this impacts on what looks like a pretty inexplicable attempt by HSE to deny a card to your child.
 

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This may be a memory of the old health board system, where there was discretion on when exactly a medical card would be handed out on grounds of need. .
It was an official in the HSE in Dublin that told me this, and informed me that a local "Adjudicator" would make a judgement on our boys case. He also told me where we could live in the country and where we would get a card
The child is the only person covered by the card, I have to pay €65 for every G.P visit of my own, and I try not to make them too often.
My big argument is: If the rules were written down in such a way that if we came one side of the line he was eligible, he would get it, but if he fell the other side of the line he wouldn't get it. I might not like it, but I would accept it. But the rules are not like that, and there is a lot of "grey" areas.
 

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So what are your means?
You only have to be earning a couple of Euro a week over the minimum wage to be denied a medical card for a sick child.

Anyone whose child is regularly ill and requires regular GP visits, meds etc should get a medical card for that child without question!!!!!! The parent's income shouldn't come into it!!!!!! You are after the US system whereby children regularly die because their parents can't afford their treatment!!
 

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The OP hasn't given any indication of his/her means, which is obviously critical to any discussion about medical cards. Furthermore, the observation that they would have been given a card by right in another part of the country is pants.

In what way has Medical Card eligibility changed since Harney took over?

Harney's 2 initiatives re. medical cards were to introduce a doctor only card, which has extended coverage, and to try and take the medical card back from wealthy pensioners, in order that more resources would be available to the likes of the OP.

I have no doubt that there are plenty of people of who should have cards who don't (eg the OP) but laying the blame at Harney's door, and personalising around her weight problem, isn' t justified.

And I'll repeat my challenge to you re. Harney:

Present evidence of any part of the Health Service that is worse today than it was in 2004.
Good sensible post. Sorry can't give you more pos rep.
 

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Clear message here for those who decry the "Power of the trade unions " meaning working class organisations, while letting the self-serving middle class " associations " like doctors off the hook.
France: visit to doctor.....21 euro. Treatment for congenital illness... free.

Ireland: visit to doctor.....65 euro. Treatment for congenital illness.... beg & we'll see .

Don't vote for any party that doesn't place clear, concise plans for a single payer Health Service out for the publics perusal in the next general election.
 

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Present evidence of any part of the Health Service that is worse today than it was in 2004.
It is disgracefull that you can say that. It is not any better, and goosebump if you are happy with that, shame on you.
The total funding for the HSE in 2009 is €14,791m, an increase of €454m or 3.2% on the 2008 allocation. I believe that this was 11bn in 2004. And please read "Irish Apartheid: Healthcare Inequality in Ireland" and tell me that we have a well run health service
 

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The OP hasn't given any indication of his/her means, which is obviously critical to any discussion about medical cards. Furthermore, the observation that they would have been given a card by right in another part of the country is pants.



In what way has Medical Card eligibility changed since Harney took over?

Harney's 2 initiatives re. medical cards were to introduce a doctor only card, which has extended coverage, and to try and take the medical card back from wealthy pensioners, in order that more resources would be available to the likes of the OP.

I have no doubt that there are plenty of people of who should have cards who don't (eg the OP) but laying the blame at Harney's door, and personalising around her weight problem, isn' t justified.

And I'll repeat my challenge to you re. Harney:

Present evidence of any part of the Health Service that is worse today than it was in 2004.[/QUOTE]

Cost per patient treated ? Factor in the costs of co-location, duplication of the D. of Health in the HSE and the extra costs of the Treatment Purchase Fund ?
 

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It is disgracefull that you can say that. It is not any better, and goosebump if you are happy with that, shame on you.
The total funding for the HSE in 2009 is €14,791m, an increase of €454m or 3.2% on the 2008 allocation. I believe that this was 11bn in 2004. And please read "Irish Apartheid: Healthcare Inequality in Ireland" and tell me that we have a well run health service
So you haven't refuted him merely pointed out that funding has increased.
 
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