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What are FF's aims and how many have they achieved?


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Fianna Fáil: The Republican Party | Fianna Fáil

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. Fianna Fáil is a National Movement. Its aims are:-

(i) To secure in peace and agreement the unity of Ireland and its people.
I have not heard any FF leader since Reynolds speak about unity other than the lipservice Ahern and Cowen do at Arbour Hill/Bodenstown. With the state of the economy in the South and over reliance on Public Sector in the North, unity is miles away.


(ii) To develop a distinctive national life in accordance with the diverse traditions and ideals of the Irish people as part of a broader European culture, and to restore and promote the Irish language as a living language of the people.
Living language of the People? It is not even a living language in large parts of the subsidised Gaeltacht areas.
Distinctive national life? Our High streets are like any British one, out TVs are full of US programmes. The only distinctive culture we have is our glorified drinking culture anmd we are killing that off.
Broader European culture? Very few citizens can speak a European language (juts like other Anglophones).

(iii) To guarantee religious and civil liberty, and equal rights, equal treatment and equal opportunities for all the people of Ireland.
720,000 in relative poverty, unequal health and education while subsidising private eduation and Third level. Gay or divorced teachers could lawfully be sacked (the unions would prevent it in practice). Travellers, foreignors, and the poor are not treated equally. The Angelus is still on National TV, the Dail starts with prayers and religions have far to much influence still.

(iv) To develop the resources and wealth of Ireland to their full potential, while making them subservient to the needs and welfare of all the people of Ireland, so as to provide the maximum sustainable employment, based on fostering a spirit of enterprise and self-reliance and on social partnership.
Where do you begin with this one? NAMA, boom/bust economics, selling gas resources for a song, the loss of fish stocks to Europeam, over dependence on US multinationals.

(v) To protect the natural environment and heritage of Ireland and to ensure a balance between town and country and between the regions, and to maintain as many families as practicable on the land.
We are driving farmers off the land by not letting them a decent price for decent produce. At the same time we pay farmers not to farm. As for the environment - itr would helpo if we enforced the EU regulations/directives which have passsed.

(vi) To promote the family, and a wider sense of social responsibility, and to uphold the rule of law in the interest of the welfare and safety of the public.
Tax indivisualisiation? The long delay in recognising non-marital families? The example set by our leaders for social responsonsibility.

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vii) To maintain the status of Ireland as a sovereign State, as a full member of the European Union and the United Nations, contributing to peace, disarmament and development on the basis of Ireland’s independent foreign policy tradition.
No mention of neutraility just independence.
Sovereign state? Surely Lisbon ends us a Sobvereign state (more QMVs and low voting weight)

(viii) To reform the laws and institutions of State, to make them efficient, humane, caring and responsive to the needs of the citizen.
Nearly all public sector workers are permanent and pensionable. Only 16 have been summarily dismissed in 4 years. FAS, Dail Eireann itself and the HSE are hardly shining examples of reform or efficiency.


There are many anti-FF threads (and I started some of them), but can any self-respecting Fianna Failer defend their Party's record when set against its own aims?
 


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If you notice, the principles are catch all. They are everything, yet they are nothing. You couldnt catagorise FF as any type of party, other then a "pragmatist" party. Of course that has its merits, however, pragmatism is what has got Ireland inc into this mess. It was a case of cheap and easy living, with no deference paid to the realities of living off windfall taxes.
 

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It was a case of cheap and easy living, with no deference paid to the realities of living off windfall taxes.
But can you actually call that pragmatism??? Only in the very short term, maybe.
 

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But can you actually call that pragmatism??? Only in the very short term, maybe.
Its the major flaw of pragmatism. It can be short term and doesnt properly consider future ramifications
 

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The only ambition of FF is power, get it, keep it, do what ever you have to, almost like the expectation is similiar to Royalty in the UK.
 

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FF was ever and always will be a network for its own members and for the wealthy and propertied classes. NAMA should be proof enough of that. One big question will be in future will they hold their media adorers. Of course the sycophancy of the likes of Noel Whelan, Eoghan Harris and John Waters will never be lost to FF but will the overall editorial line continue to support them when media moguls see that they haven't a hope of winning the next election and that no other party in their sane minds will form a coalition with them. Will RTE take a more even hand and will the pro FF stance of Tubridy, Duffy, Ryan, Kenny and the newsroom finally move from their current anti-opposition and pro FF line.

FF hjave no principles and that is why they have supporters who are effectively in it for themselves. That is why the place is bankrupt and why there is no obvious appetite to do the necessary to rescue it.

The only game is to rescue the developers and the solicitiors, barristers, and brokers who are being burned by the collapse in the property market.

It is remarkable to look at the utterly traitorous behaviour of Ahern, McCreevy and Cowen for the past 12 years wasting billions of tax funds to buy elections, giving favours to the FF network, giving advance inside information on budget contents to their crooked buddies and yet they still have 25% support. What would these crooks have to do to actually be wiped out? How stupid can the electorate be.
 

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Fianna Fail are a partitionist party who have never done anything for the nationalist population in the North, they don't care less about Northern Nationalists and anyone who thinks FF are a Republican party are naive fools. Mind you that would include the majority of the Irish population.
 

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FF's aims are the same as any capitalist party- to cream off as much wealth as possible from society for themselves and their masters.

They achieve this by convincing the working class that they represent their interests. This is done through ideology, media, organised religion, control of education etc Effectively any working class person who votes for FF is unwittingly consenting to be oppressed.
 

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FF have one sole aim: to maintain a stranglehold on power by whatever means.

They have been phenomenally successful at this. Despite demonstrating their ineptitude and incompetence over decades, a dim-bulb electorate still votes for them again and again. There is no logical explanation for this behaviour. It belongs in the "thousands of pilgrims going to Knock" category of mass irrationality.
 

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And we are been assisted in every possible way by inept opposition .
I can't disagree with that. The opposition are remarkably inept. I mean, if they are so incompetent as to allow a party to try to sell Mary Coughlan as a credible Deputy Prime Minister,there is sod all hope for the place.
 

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I am looking forward to hear what Enda has to say next . I reckon His next patriotic call will be to increase the voting age to 24 because of the low turn out of 18-24 year olds .

AH the man amazes me and to think that those opposed to FF are trying to sell him as a future Taoiseach .
 

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I am looking forward to hear what Enda has to say next . I reckon His next patriotic call will be to increase the voting age to 24 because of the low turn out of 18-24 year olds .

AH the man amazes me and to think that those opposed to FF are trying to sell him as a future Taoiseach .
I'm not! :)

Joking aside, you need to clear a lot of deadwood out of your party, get in some intelligent new blood, revamp the party's vision and role and present a fresher image. The best place to do that is in opposition.

Otherwise politics is redundant in Ireland.
 

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I'm not! :)

Joking aside, you need to clear a lot of deadwood out of your party, get in some intelligent new blood, revamp the party's vision and role and present a fresher image. The best place to do that is in opposition.

Otherwise politics is redundant in Ireland.

I do agree with you, there is a lot of driftwood and a cleansing operation is needed .We need to re invent ourselves.
 

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I do agree with you, there is a lot of driftwood and a cleansing operation is needed .We need to re invent ourselves.
The opposition is poor and I am realistic enough to know that FF are not going to disintegrate. The question is how FF can improve and begin again to make the running in Irish politics. The internal damage done to FF in the last 3 decades has served the country very poorly and the party has accepted and tacitly condoned behaviour which has discredited politics in general. The most obvious problem with FF at the moment is the deteriorating quality of candidates which has been a continuing problem for a quarter of a century now. Eventually that leads to the troubling reality of a Cabinet half full of people plainly not up to the job. which is where we are now.

A period in opposition is needed for FF to sort itself out. Not alone was the result of the last election bad for the country, it was also bad for FF.
 

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The opposition is poor and I am realistic enough to know that FF are not going to disintegrate. The question is how FF can improve and begin again to make the running in Irish politics. The internal damage done to FF in the last 3 decades has served the country very poorly and the party has accepted and tacitly condoned behaviour which has discredited politics in general. The most obvious problem with FF at the moment is the deteriorating quality of candidates which has been a continuing problem for a quarter of a century now. Eventually that leads to the troubling reality of a Cabinet half full of people plainly not up to the job. which is where we are now.

A period in opposition is needed for FF to sort itself out. Not alone was the result of the last election bad for the country, it was also bad for FF.
But I thought the reason we pay politicians so much is to attract the best and brightest.
 

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I think in terms of a United Ireland- Yeah i suppose we could be like others and sit in Dublin and demand a United Ireland until the cows come home, becuase of course we have never done that before!

Before you united terriotry, you must united people first and sadly at this minute a majority in NI do not wish to be part of Ireland but i would remind people that as of 2009- there is more co-operation between north and south than there has ever been and that will lead to UI and we wont need to fire one bullet to get there.
 

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FF have one sole aim: to maintain a stranglehold on power by whatever means.

They have been phenomenally successful at this. Despite demonstrating their ineptitude and incompetence over decades, a dim-bulb electorate still votes for them again and again. There is no logical explanation for this behaviour. It belongs in the "thousands of pilgrims going to Knock" category of mass irrationality.
Actually there is a logical explanation. Through control of ideology and the media, FF have successfully conned the working class into thinking they are right and evryone else is wrong.
 

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Fianna fáil are a very successful party

They are very sucessful at feathering the well connected within the party and those connected to the well connected.

It is their raison détre.

They may be the most sucessful party in the world at this.

Perhaps this is why some people vote for them as they wish to be associated with sucessful corruption.
 

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