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What are political parties doing to bring right people into Dail?


anewbeginning

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We don't need teachers, social workers, barristers, doctors, etc etc in the Dail.

We need entrepreneurs, economists, people with a knowledge of High Tech and IT and business leaders.

So now it's coming near the time to select candidates for the next election.

And what is the party you support doing to bring people of the right background into the Dail? Because after all, come election time, the people can only vote for the candidates put before them, so if they end up with a choice between former teacher from FG, former teacher from FF or former teacher from Labour, then a former teacher is going to be elected to the Dail.

So what candidates are your party putting forward for the next election? And is there a way to rid the Dail and candidate list of barristers, teachers and similar (mostly sons and daughters of gombeen politicians).
 

LeDroit

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The political parties give us what we want, what we vote for every time. We vote for gombeens, local ward bosses and culchicrats. And that is exactly what that parties give us.
 

Tony Soprano

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we need high-fliers like Sean Fitzpatrick, Michael Fingleton, Sean Quinn in power.
all wonderful businessmen who know how to get things done!

(if this was said about 5 years ago, nobody would have batted an eyelid!)
 

neiphin

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we need high-fliers like Sean Fitzpatrick, Michael Fingleton, Sean Quinn in power.
all wonderful businessmen who know how to get things done!

(if this was said about 5 years ago, nobody would have batted an eyelid!)
a month ago they wanted mick o"leary
 

anewbeginning

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we need high-fliers like Sean Fitzpatrick, Michael Fingleton, Sean Quinn in power.
all wonderful businessmen who know how to get things done!

(if this was said about 5 years ago, nobody would have batted an eyelid!)
I think I already stated we don't need gombeens, yet immediately you list out gombeens.

Care to do better?

By the way we don't need union gombeens either, even though a number have ended up in the Dail over the years.

We need young people with knowledge of IT, High Tech, and economics.

And the one rule I would set is, they must never have met Bertie Ahern.
 

theoutsider

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We don't need teachers, social workers, barristers, doctors, etc etc in the Dail.

We need entrepreneurs, economists, people with a knowledge of High Tech and IT and business leaders.

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And why would said people run for office when they'll get gob********************es complaining because there is a pothole in the road or the streetlights aren't working? And then get turfed out in five years.

Its one reason why a list system in theory could work but we only need to look back at the last few years of government to see the types of people that would be on a list.
 

LeDroit

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anewbeginning said:
By the way we don't need union gombeens either, even though a number have ended up in the Dail over the years.
Sorry but it looks like you're getting an 'ex' union leader and his trade union cronies next time out. It's 'Change' don't you know.
 

anewbeginning

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I agree with you, Gilmore doesn't represent change, he's as inside as you can get, the Nick Clegg of Ireland.

Who are Labour going to run? Ivana Bacik? Great, another double or tripple jobber, from a law background.

Do we not have enough people in the Dail already with a law background?

Alex White? Isn't be a barrister too?

The rest are just Party hacks from what I can see, rewarded for years of getting potholes fixed with a nomination for the election.
 

revereie

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Increase their pay and pensions and then you will attract better talent.

Simple as.
 

anewbeginning

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Increase their pay and pensions and then you will attract better talent.

Simple as.
Bull.

It's a nightmare for anyone to get nominated for an election in the main parties.

You have to join a party and start from the ground up. Most politicians are in their 40s and 50s after spending the guts of 20 or 30 years working on the ground before they get elected to the Dail.

There should be a way to fast track young intelligent educated people into the Dail.

More pay and pensions will just mean the existing Dail gombeens clinging to power even longer, you know that and I know that. The average TD was paid 3 times the industrial wage while ministers were well paid. And you could fit their combined talent on the back of a stamp.
 

revereie

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Bull.

It's a nightmare for anyone to get nominated for an election in the main parties.

You have to join a party and start from the ground up. Most politicians are in their 40s and 50s after spending the guts of 20 or 30 years working on the ground before they get elected to the Dail.

There should be a way to fast track young intelligent educated people into the Dail.

More pay and pensions will just mean the existing Dail gombeens clinging to power even longer, you know that and I know that. The average TD was paid 3 times the industrial wage while ministers were well paid. And you could fit their combined talent on the back of a stamp.
Most candidates at the last LE were newcomers who were either starting in their (other main) career or had been in their party about 5 years or so.

I think I would provide for my family better through the private sector without the hazards of going before the public.

Wasn't it Daniel O'Connell who brought in pay for politicians to encourage talent in politics ?
 

eoinod

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Eh it's not up to the political parties... it's the electorate who decide who enters the Dáil, we get what we vote for.
 

revereie

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If people want the best and brightest to serve in politics, then they need to pay best and highest.

Look at all the leading lights of FG & FF - most made their money from their families or from a profession before entering politics.
 

atlantic

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People in Ireland want the "something for nothing political types" the yokes that spend other peoples money ,promising the sun ,moon and stars,the yokes that will rape and pillage the younger generation to satisfy their lust for power and peoples selfish love of the welfare (rotten) state.
 

Marcos the black

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If people want the best and brightest to serve in politics, then they need to pay best and highest.

Look at all the leading lights of FG & FF - most made their money from their families or from a profession before entering politics.
Ok, did you not hear about how our wonderful leader is higher paid than: The President of America, The PM of GB, Germany, France etc etc..... Were you asleep over the last 2 weeks when sitting TD's (FF) refused to pay back their pensions.. Expenses, Berties drivers, on and on and on...
 

just_society3

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If people want the best and brightest to serve in politics, then they need to pay best and highest.

Look at all the leading lights of FG & FF - most made their money from their families or from a profession before entering politics.
We have the highest paid politicians in Europe, and we have among the worst politicians. Money is the worst concieveable reason for becoming a politician. A TD should get paid 60k, and Taoiseach no more than 90k.

Dr. James Reilly is a good politician. He sincerely believes he can manage the Health service better. That's the kind we want. Not money grabbing chancers like Bertie or Charlie, or dynastical fodder like Ahern or Kenny.
 

anewbeginning

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Eh it's not up to the political parties... it's the electorate who decide who enters the Dáil, we get what we vote for.
I agree with you to a point.

But we don't need more law candidates. We don't need more teachers as candidates. Look at all the current doctors in the Dail and proposed candidates.

Varadkar, O'Reilly, Cowley, McDaid. Have I missed anyone?

Law background - Shatter, Aherne, O'Donaghoe, O'Dea, Cowen, missed anyone?
Candidates - White, Bacik. Others?

Teachers - Too many to mention.

Economists, just one, Bruton.

Business people? Count them on one hand.

People with a high tech degree. None I believe.

It's up to the political parties to put forward candidates not the people. It's probable in most constituenices it will be former teacher versus former barrister versus doctor.
 

revereie

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Wait - you're talking about one position for a politician - I'm talking about all (pay)grades.

Additionally, look how much those other positions pull in upon retirement. For comparisons sake, I'm living about a 1/2 mile from a former Taoiseach who sold land to fund his retirement - a developer built a mansion which almost dwarfs the Taoiseach's residence - there's another who used to live in his son's cellar.

I work in politics. I will do quite well in my profession but not as well as if I were to be elected. However the hit-and-miss/elected-today-lose-tomorrow nature of politics means regular professional income is a surer bet for me (for my young family) to follow.
 
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