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What are the false truisms of social and MSmedia? Eg Irish is a dead language, MNC will leave if they are taxed, a United iteland is unaffordable

Congalltee

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What are the false truisms of social and MSmedia? Eg Irish is a dead language, MNC will leave if they are taxed, a United iteland is unaffordable

They are repeated so often, posters and others don't even realise they are making an argument - and a false one at that.

My top 3 are as cited:

1. Irish is spoken by nearly 78,000 daily (outside of school) and 1.8 can stated in the census that they can speak it, it is a national first language and an eu official language (like Catalan). It has a tv station and newspapers. There are 7000 languages in the world and speakers of 6000 languages would love to be in that position. It ain't coding, French or mandarin useful but it ain't dead.

2. Multinationals understand the rules of the game. They know they must pay tax where it is earned. A few countries allow arrangements which allow them filter money through to Ireland, despite the fact that we don't tax the non-Irish profits of multinationals earned in the eu. They would be mad to leave such an arrangement. Or a regime of 12.5%. Or an English speaking eu country. 6 hours ahead of New York. Over tax and they may make strategic plans. But no tax for jobs is not viable.

3. A United ireland has costs and benefits. Just as Irish independence had in 1916-22 or entry into the Eu. Benefits are synergies, more trade, more tax payers, bigger market, eu funds. Costs have been often repeated. A case can be made than one outstrips the other depending on timescale. But the asserted truism lives on. Every time the topic is raised.

[4...what other assertions are presented as truisms where the speakers doesn't feel the need for argument or evidence]

Edited to clarify and avoid the accusation I'm making assertions not based on evidence.
Daily speakers
"There were 77,185 persons speaking Irish on a daily basis outside of the education system in April 2011. Twenty three per cent of these were aged 5 to 18 (17,457 persons), a further 23,359 (30%) were in the age group 25-44. There were more women (42,157) than men (35,028).
Weekly speakers
There were 110,642 persons who said that they spoke Irish on a weekly basis outside of education. Again, there were more females (61,176) than males (49,466) speaking Irish on a weekly basis and relatively larger numbers of females spoke Irish weekly in the 35-44 age group than in the other non-school going ages."
 
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They are repeated so often, posters and others don't even realise they are making an argument - and a false one at that.

My top 3 are as cited:

1. Irish is spoken by nearly 100,000 daily (outside of school) and 1.8 can speak it, it is a national first language and an eu official language (like Catalan). It has a tv station and newspapers. There are 7000 languages in the world and speakers of 6000 languages would love to be in that position. It ain't coding, French or mandarin useful but it ain't dead.

2. Multinationals understand the rules of the game. They know they must pay tax where it is earned. A few countries allow arrangements which allow them filter money through to Ireland, despite the fact that we don't tax the non-Irish profits of multinationals earned in the eu. They would be mad to leave such an arrangement. Or a regime of 12.5%. Or an English speaking eu country. 6 hours ahead of New York. Over tax and they may make strategic plans. But no tax for jobs is not viable.

3. A United ireland has costs and benefits. Just as Irish independence had in 1916-22 or entry into the Eu. Benefits are synergies, more trade, more tax payers, bigger market, eu funds. Costs have been often repeated. A case can be made than one outstrips the other depending on timescale. But the asserted truism lives on. Every time the topic is raised.

[4...what other assertions are presented as truisms where the speakers doesn't feel the need for argument or evidence]
1.8m claim they can.

In realty most have only a few words.
 

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They are repeated so often, posters and others don't even realise they are making an argument - and a false one at that.

My top 3 are as cited:

1. Irish is spoken by nearly 100,000 daily (outside of school) and 1.8 can speak it, it is a national first language and an eu official language (like Catalan). It has a tv station and newspapers. There are 7000 languages in the world and speakers of 6000 languages would love to be in that position. It ain't coding, French or mandarin useful but it ain't dead.

2. Multinationals understand the rules of the game. They know they must pay tax where it is earned. A few countries allow arrangements which allow them filter money through to Ireland, despite the fact that we don't tax the non-Irish profits of multinationals earned in the eu. They would be mad to leave such an arrangement. Or a regime of 12.5%. Or an English speaking eu country. 6 hours ahead of New York. Over tax and they may make strategic plans. But no tax for jobs is not viable.

3. A United ireland has costs and benefits. Just as Irish independence had in 1916-22 or entry into the Eu. Benefits are synergies, more trade, more tax payers, bigger market, eu funds. Costs have been often repeated. A case can be made than one outstrips the other depending on timescale. But the asserted truism lives on. Every time the topic is raised.

[4...what other assertions are presented as truisms where the speakers doesn't feel the need for argument or evidence]
Other truisms might include;
Homosexuality is a choice,
there are gods,
Islam is a race,
Politicians lie,
Irish water is dead,
climate change is a thing,
9/11 was a terrorist attack.
 

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We're a poor country with little in the way of natural resources....

Drilled into us in school.....

Funny that FF and FG have found some worth selling over the years and a few of their lads were caught with fingers in the till afterwards....
 

runwiththewind

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1.8m claim they can.

In realty most have only a few words.
The same census claim that there are 4.8 million people in Ireland and 84% are Catholic.

The reality is that these people don't exist and are not Catholics.
 

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It was only a matter of time before WW1 happened (stock markets were high in 1914)

The assassination of the archduke caused World War One (lots of mistakes happened in the weeks after)

The proper name for "soccer" is "football" (football was lots of different versions, association football is the name of the sport, soccer is short for association)

The USA is a new country (older than most European countries, older democracy too)

Islamic terrorism is caused by a small number of Muslims (millions of them)

Students today are less intelligent than they were in our day

It is difficult for an adult to learn a foreign language (it isn't, stop being lazy)

We deserve a better government (we choose all our TDs are are free to run ourselves)

We've never had it so tough (we are better off now that at nearly any other point in history)
 

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muslims will pay our pensions...lol double lol if you live in Sweden
 

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The Fermanagh Wan will never be free.
 

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The nation state is no longer viable.

Technological changes mean there is no such thing as privacy.

Economic growth comes from the government.

All cultures are the same and can seamlessly integrate.

Religion is "irrational" (where as loving your family or believing in a political party is really rational).
 

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House prices only go up.
SECD is the centre of the known world.
An orts degree from Belfield is worth more than a roll of toilet paper.
Denis is a generous man.
EK knows how to run a country.
Frances Fitzgerald is able to run a government department.
Rugger is safe, bar the odd broken neck ( keep it all hush hush )
The gardai are beating crime.
 

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The central bank directs the economy ( yeah- right up until the economy starts directing the central bank).
 

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Restoring confidence to the markets!
 

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MODs have a pro-abortion bias.

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The business empire of Denis the Menace is in good shape, & the IPO withdrawl was entirely due to there being something wrong with the financial markets.....

To be honest, The Wall Street Journal did not believe any of that pr nonsense.
 

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FG are not owned.....
 

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Ruth Coppinger, Paul Murphy and RBB are not opportunists trying to get their snouts into the trough.
 

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Those are my feet.

Ladies don't fart.

P.ie is influential with 600,000 a month viewers.

Monte owns p.ie

Coppers: arranging marriages between nurses and guards since 1993
 

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They are repeated so often, posters and others don't even realise they are making an argument - and a false one at that.

My top 3 are as cited:

1. Irish is spoken by nearly 100,000 daily (outside of school)
According to the 2011 census 77,000 people (including 23,000 in the Gaeltacht) speak it daily outside of school or the education system. A lot of these would just be students doing their Irish homework. I would guess that there are only 30,000 + fluent Irish speakers in Ireland.
 

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Ruth Coppinger, Paul Murphy and RBB are not opportunists trying to get their snouts into the trough.
The latter two inherited their own troughs.:lol:
 

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