What cuts should be made?

DeputyEdo

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What cuts should the government introduce?
A lot of you are moaning about this cut or that cut, but what should be done?

Here's a few I think should be done:

1) Cut the number of TDs by about 40 and get rid of our senators.
We have far too many TDs for the size of population we have.

2) Cut TDs wages/perks/pensions etc.
Actually, as TDs, pay them whatever the going dole rate is.

3) Cut the dole for people who've been on it for over 5 years.
If you couldn't get a job during the "Celtic tiger"...then you didn't really try

4) Pay single parent allowance for 1 child, 3/4s of it for a second child and 1/4 of it for a third...pay nothing for any child after the third..
Why should people be allowed to have children if they can't afford to have children? I can't afford a private jet, should I buy one anyway and then ask the taxpayers of Ireland to stump up for it?
 


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The Philosoph held a debate last week That This House Would Reintroduce Third Level Fees. The proposition won, showing that the Government could indeed get away with introducing fees and perhaps subsequently making a cut to education. Since the debate however, the four year plan has been revealed and it does not appear the government feel they have student support. This week, on Monday Novemebr 29th at 19.30 in Kane G19 the Philosoph are teaming up with the Politics Society to look back at the week in politics with Fergus Finlay.

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PatsyOriel

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Cut relief on Pensions

Cut Union Fees tax relief
 

RichardDeClare

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Cut the high level of policing costs at the Corrib, If Shell are going to rob us of our natural resources, let them pay for the security of doing so.
 

Asparagus

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Cut the PS salaries by 5-15% (depending on the size of salary)
Cap the maximum PS salary to 250K.

Cut the number of dail deputies to 101.
Consolidate the CO COs into 7 or 8

Cut the quangoes
Cut the dole by the last two incremental hikes

Then

Cut PRSI
Cut PAYE
Cut CT to 10%
Incentivise job creation by giving subsidies to companies on the third year of a new employees service.

Convert 15% of everybodies mortgage debt into equity holding for the bank to be cashed in on sale or death
 
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-Replace our foreign embassies with a call centre
- sign off from Kyoto and the carbon credits nonsense
-cancel all foreign aid
-cut quangos by 50% at least, starting with orgs like BIM, failte Ireland etc.
-cut VAT down to 10% (50 million shoppers less then a hour away)
-abolish all tax reliefs
-Sell Bus Eireann , RTE.................................
-Privatise the national roads, airports etc.


then I'd have breakfast and get down to make some real effeciencies. lol
 

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250K that's a bit much, nearly 3K a week, max of 125k up to Sec General and equivalents.

What does consolidate the CO COs into 7 or 8 mean?
Agreed. Cap the salary at $100k.
No state cars, no drivers, no planes, no helicopters.
Cut the number of TDs by 50% -- or cut them in half, your choice.
Scrap Seanad
Scrap presidency.
Max of one state pension for politicians. And no collection until they are 68.
Stand down all quango boards immediately. There are 800+ with 20 or so on each. They get stipends of up to €20k for 10 meetings a year. So, look at the numbers: 20 x 20 x 800 = €400,000,000! For political feckin' appointees! Bertie's "friends." No wonder he got so many "digouts."
Introduce rewards for innovation and cost cutting. Any civil servant who spots savings should get half the first year's saving tax free.
Do something similar to get rid of red tape and start business moving again.
Cut social welfare to the point where it does not come even close to paying what a minimum-wage job does.
Withdrawn the banking guarantee. Sell what is left off to Santander or some other big bank. It will be for a song but that money is lost. No point throwing more after it.
 

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Start at the top, leadership has to be by example even if the resulting sums are marginal. So:

Cap public payments @€150K
Introduce 3rd tier tax rate above this for private earnings
Abolish road tax and increase fuel-tax (cheaper to collect and polluter pays)
There has to be some rationalisation in the public sector
Remove higher rate relief on pension contributions

Once the above is implemented you can consider going after the middle and lower earners but you can't hammer the poor and leave the wealthy alone nor ignore systemic inefficiency.
PS: (CoCo =. County Council)
 

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My proposal for the CUTS to the neofeudalists

 

vanla sighs

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What cuts should the government introduce?
A lot of you are moaning about this cut or that cut, but what should be done?

Here's a few I think should be done:

1) Cut the number of TDs by about 40 and get rid of our senators.
We have far too many TDs for the size of population we have.

2) Cut TDs wages/perks/pensions etc.
Actually, as TDs, pay them whatever the going dole rate is.

3) Cut the dole for people who've been on it for over 5 years.
If you couldn't get a job during the "Celtic tiger"...then you didn't really try

4) Pay single parent allowance for 1 child, 3/4s of it for a second child and 1/4 of it for a third...pay nothing for any child after the third..
Why should people be allowed to have children if they can't afford to have children? I can't afford a private jet, should I buy one anyway and then ask the taxpayers of Ireland to stump up for it?
Cut the dole for people who've been on it for over 5 years? No.

As has been pointed out on other threads many of those who didn't work during the boom years often had legitimate reasons for not having done so. Ranging from undiagnosed mental illness to being single mums (just to mention two groups) who didn't have family support and couldn't afford very high childcare costs. It was upto the DSW at that time to call folks in and ask: why aren't you working? It was at that time that should have been done, not now. You cannot penalise people now for something they didn't do previously. It isn't these people who have landed us where we are now - that would be FF and the bankers.

But what cuts could we make, here are just a few (and some revenue raising ideas)

1) Turn off 50% of public street lighting - millions, if not tens of millions saved at once. We don't need a light every 10 bloody yards.

2) Get rid of the government jets, both of them. Fly commercial. If an absolute must keep one jet. A ban on the use of travel by government jet within the State.

3) Get rid of the office of the President. Combine the role of President and Taoiseach into one (constitutional amendment required)

4) Ger rid of mercs for ministers. Why do they need top of the range cars? If I'm not mistaken in France they go about in Renault Meganes or something.

5) Stop paying the wages of teachers in private schools - if folks want to send their kids to private school that's fine but private should mean private.

6) Means tested college tuition fees and childrens allowance (constitutional amendment may be required for childrens allowance)

7) Cull the Dail by 50%. Close the Seanad.

8) Cut TD's and Minsisters pay and expenses by lets say an initial 30% - they say if we do that we won't attract quality people. Yeah, right, the place is full of quality people isn't it :rolleyes:

9) Scrap Croke Park agreement, personally I believe PS pay can be reduced to private sector levels.

10) Have civilians behind the desk in Garda stations and Gardai on the streets. That way less Gardai would need to be recruited as more would be freed up thereby saving money.

11) Embassy buildings and ambassador residences abroad which the State may own, sell and downsize.

12) Do not pay over 500 million euro for roads etc in Northern Ireland.

13) Slash the quangos.

14) A wealth tax

15) A bank profits tax

16) Cut judges pay (constituntional amendment may be required)

17) DON'T BAIL OUT THE BANKS - DEFAULT.

18) Possibly after a default introduce a 5% emergency tax on all bank deposits. I'd happily pay it if we defaulted.

I'm sure there are many others but thats what springs to mind.
 

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Cap the wage of civil servants to a multiple of the Average Industrial wage. The more the average wages goes up, the more the PS can get paid. This would include politicians. With exceptions only for expert advisors on temporary contracts without pension or other PS benefits.

Cut the child benefit for every subsequent child, down to a minimum of 40% of the first child payment.

Half the child benefit paid to a child once they enter the education system. Ring fence the savings and use it to help fund better public schools and high quality school dinners (or school dinners of some sort in every school!). This dasterdly plan could also be used as a form of means testing. Parents who (can afford to) send their children to private school would not see the benefits of the child benefit resources being siphoned into the public schools budget.

Cut subsidies to private schools, provided public schools can cope with demand. Buy up private schools if necessary.

Cut welfare by 10% or more.

Reduce vat to 10%. Use the reduced cost of living to again cut welfare. Reduce Minmum wage, again in line with reduced cost of living.

Encourage CC's to provide commercial tax holidays to business start ups in their area.

Introduce water rates. Ring fence the money to fix the water supply infrastructure.

create a national lender of last resort bank for small businesses. Keep it small, and by appointment only. Use it to provide short term funding for small business. (this bank would also form the frame work solution for all future bank failures. It would have the capacity to step into the outlets of failed banks and provide funding services to people and businesses, within 2 weeks, in emergency situations. Allowing the government to let failed banks fail!)

Reduce sick days for PS staff to the average private allowance.

Restructure the entire health service, from the bottom up. Remove the HSE and and re-instate the old health boards as competing entities.

Cut and cull quangos.

Provide a standard expenses payment to TD's (tied to their dail attendance). The further from the dail they live the larger the expense.

Provide allowances for just a single constituency office for each TD.

Remove the funeral expenses provided to TD's.

Remove any expenses paid to TD's which is related to canvassing activities (i.e. funerals and sh*te).

Remove the public subsidy for the Dail Creche!!!!

Introduce a ministerial car pool system.

Instruct the ESB to sort out its pension finances and then sell off the commercial arm of our electrical supply. Use the money to invest in a major broadband upgrade and renewable fuel infrastructure.

Cut the number of TDs. abolish the senate.

Reduce RTE to a single channel, cut the tv license payment and sell licenses for new broadcasters.

Introduce a 1% commercial vat rate.

When teh banks are back on their feet. Instate a state insurance premium on their investments which can be used with a mind toward monetary policy. Increase "insurance" rates when the economy is over heating. Reduce when the opposite. Pocket the profits.

Tell the IMF to f**k off.


Simples.
 

Luigi Vampa

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Cut the loose the private bank and speculation debt you brainwashed fools.
The 150 billion speculation is the problem, not 6 billion
Why should the Irish taxpayer be cut pay and services to pay it off ?
 


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