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What did SF achieve?

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For decades Sinn Féin supported a murderour campaign by the self-styled Irish Repubican Army (IRA) which resulted in the death of hundreds of civilians. It was, according to SF lore, part of the struggle for the freedom of Ireland.

Now, after 1,000s of lives lost what's been achieved?

A United Ireland, no they've decided to let that be,
An end to British occupation of a part of Ireland, ignored that too,
British soldiers in Ireland, they're still here
A British police force? - Well, SF administer it now...
A British parliament in Stormont, well, they're involved in administering that too.


What did the 'armed struggle' achieve? Why were Sinn Féin opposed to running British institutions in Ireland for decades but now they're happy to do so?
 


Tomáis Joad

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Being part of one of the oldest revolutionary and anti imperialist movements in Europe. Being a beacon to oppressed people all over the world.

Not being fianna fail.

Those are a few of the achievements I'm most proud of.
 
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Tomáis Joad said:
Being part of one of the oldest revolutionary and anti imperialist movements in Europe. Being a beacon to oppressed people all over the world.

Not being fianna fail.

Those are a few of the achievements I'm most proud of.
And what about:

A United Ireland,
An end to British occupation of a part of Ireland,
British soldiers in Ireland,
A British police force in Ireland,
A British parliament in Stormont?

Wasn't that what the 'armed struggle' was all about? Are you proud that Sinn Féin members are administering British laws in Ireland and co-ordinating British policing in Ireland?
 

Squire Allworthy

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Some working class lads got nice suits out of it. :roll:

Come on they are entitled to their views and their aims, where I disagree with them is their means of execution. (in all senses)

You could ask what has FF achieved etc?
 

CJH

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Tomáis Joad said:
Being part of one of the oldest revolutionary and anti imperialist movements in Europe. .
Why not join the Communists, or the Anarchists? They are older.

Being a beacon to oppressed people all over the world.
Ha ha ha.

Not being fianna fail.
Neither are Fine Gael
 

Tomáis Joad

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actually the Republican movement finds it roots even before 1798. So while its impossible to put a date on the birth of any ideology or movement it is not really true to say anarchism or communism are older.
 

CJH

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Tomáis Joad said:
actually the Republican movement finds it roots even before 1798. So while its impossible to put a date on the birth of any ideology or movement it is not really true to say anarchism or communism are older.
So you're talking about 'Republicanism' as an ideology. Well, without getting into yet another turgid debate about who's legitimate or not, let's just say that it's highly debateable whether the Provos are the only true heirs of Tone
 

Tomáis Joad

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If you've ever beeen particularly close to sinn fein leadership figures you'll notice there suits are not all that nice. Armani they are most certainly not.

Adams rarely wears a suit at all.
 
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Tomáis Joad said:
actually the Republican movement finds it roots even before 1798. So while its impossible to put a date on the birth of any ideology or movement it is not really true to say anarchism or communism are older.
The sort of "Republicanism" that Sinn Fein support was founded in the 70's based on sectarianism, intimidation and criminality, don't tarnish the earlier movements by relating them to the atrocities that the IRA committed in recent years
 

Tomáis Joad

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Coming from somebody who claims to be a socialist and supports Lisbon, thats very rich.


oh and CJH I never said anything about "true heirs" I dont go in for that, but we are part of the republic movement, which has been present in ireland since before 1798
 

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dubsthcentralboy said:
For decades Sinn Féin supported a murderour campaign by the self-styled Irish Repubican Army (IRA) which resulted in the death of hundreds of civilians. It was, according to SF lore, part of the struggle for the freedom of Ireland.

Now, after 1,000s of lives lost what's been achieved?

A United Ireland, no they've decided to let that be,
An end to British occupation of a part of Ireland, ignored that too,
British soldiers in Ireland, they're still here
A British police force? - Well, SF administer it now...
A British parliament in Stormont, well, they're involved in administering that too.


What did the 'armed struggle' achieve? Why were Sinn Féin opposed to running British institutions in Ireland for decades but now they're happy to do so?
Have you any idea what ni was like before the troubles?
 
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DavidMurphyperson said:
Tomáis Joad said:
actually the Republican movement finds it roots even before 1798. So while its impossible to put a date on the birth of any ideology or movement it is not really true to say anarchism or communism are older.
The sort of "Republicanism" that Sinn Fein support was founded in the 70's based on sectarianism, intimidation and criminality, don't tarnish the earlier movements by relating them to the atrocities that the IRA committed in recent years
Well that is a load of Cr**.
:shock:
 

drbob1972

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DSC was there any need to start another thread bashing SF just cos Joad from YSF called you / FF in the Basque thread ?
 

Cork Rebel

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Tomáis Joad said:
Being part of one of the oldest revolutionary and anti imperialist movements in Europe. Being a beacon to oppressed people all over the world.

Not being fianna fail.

Those are a few of the achievements I'm most proud of.
My God, they are still brainwashing young impressionable young men I see
 

Twin Towers

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Achieving feck all is their greatest achievement. Its hard to be around for 100 years and achieve feck all.
 

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dubsthcentralboy said:
And what about:

A United Ireland,
An end to British occupation of a part of Ireland,
British soldiers in Ireland,
A British police force in Ireland,
A British parliament in Stormont?

Good point.

Why didn't the "Republican" party - Fianna Fail ever do anything about these injustices??

Afterall ye were in a much more powerful position than Sinn Fein for the last 80 years!
 

The Collective.

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Sinn Fien actions nowadays, just prove that, Fine Gael are the one true republican party. Consistant in thier views.

CnaG had a policy. FF adopted after slandering them over it.
FG had a policy, FF adopted it after slandering it.

Now SF have adopted all of FGs policies on Northren Ireland. And guess what! We have more that the other parties will slander then later adopt.
 


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