What did SF achieve?

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They did like f**k 'have a mandate'.
The vast majority of the country were against the rising, they were terrorists who were spat on by their own people ffs.
There was no popular rising.
They were not spat upon by there own people , they were spat upon by the wives of those receiving the queens shilling. If you look at their return after the rising they truly did receive a heroic welcome back. They awoke and revived a spirit which the british long thought they had destroyed .

As for been terrorists.. The biggest terrorists Ireland has are gits like you who hide behind a pseudo name and spout british propaganda, You ought to be (,but you are probably to ignorant to the facts) proud of your country and its history but instead gobs***** like you put it down at every opportunity .. If only i was dictator for a day .
 


redneck

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I hope Jimmy Foley was not a member of the UVF.
 

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The Men of 1916 were not Terrorists. They had a mandate. They were standing up for Irish freedom. Were the Loyalists who staged the Curragh mutiny and the Larne gun running terrorists?
Eh, what mandate did they have?

Is this one of those Michael McDowell "retrospective mandate" thingies?

What swung public opinion was in fact the bloodthirstiness of General Maxwell.
 

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I suppose I am a Republican or Nationalist. I am not proud of the fact that we used violence. Hopefully going forward there will never be a return to the dark days of the 70's, 80's and 90's.
Ní mbeidh dúnmharú ann arís.
 

Fr. Ted Crilly

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They were not spat upon by there own people , they were spat upon by the wives of those receiving the queens shilling. If you look at their return after the rising they truly did receive a heroic welcome back. They awoke and revived a spirit which the british long thought they had destroyed .

As for been terrorists.. The biggest terrorists Ireland has are gits like you who hide behind a pseudo name and spout british propaganda, You ought to be (,but you are probably to ignorant to the facts) proud of your country and its history but instead gobs***** like you put it down at every opportunity .. If only i was dictator for a day .
Meh, it's the double standards that get to me.

Like, we had a FFail TD sniggering and laughing about how he murdered almost 100 people and buried them forever in the Rea Bog in Cork during the civil war, yet all we hear about here is the few people disappeared by the provos (of which all but 3 have been found and given a proper burial).

If the provo's are being judged in this manner then the boyo's of the civil war should be judged the same.
 

Telstar 62

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Martin Millar/Mairtin O'Muilleoir may well be a Sinn Féin Messenger Boy for the IRA Army Council,
but I am bound to congratulate him for declaring his nationality as 'Northern Ireland'
on company registration documents! Ya boy ye! :D

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Pat Kenny being the most progressive voice on a panel discussing housing says a lot about the state of the media in Ireland and its lack of diverse opinions and proper debate. @PatKennyNT
 

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I was glad of the ceasefire, but the IRA "bitch slapped" the N.I Unionists for years. ( to quote Between Bridges poster, who regularly claims the UVF and RUC did same to Nationalists)
What does "bitch slapped" mean?
 

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What does "bitch slapped" mean?
Ask Between Bridges. Anyway I am really glad that there was a ceasefire. And I hope the 'Ra stay well away from any future involvement in Ireland.
 

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Eh, what mandate did they have?

Is this one of those Michael McDowell "retrospective mandate" thingies?

What swung public opinion was in fact the bloodthirstiness of General Maxwell.
Since when did patriotic people in any country need a mandate to free their country from occupation by an enemy country, ffs???

What mandate did England have to invade and continue its occupation in Ireland???
 

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I don't know people but if you want an alternative to the fg/ff cabal then I only see Sinn Féin, despite all their flaws, if you want to give this lousy stinking government a good kicking put sf in 😉

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Apple state aid case to begin next week.
FG is spending millions of our €s in attempt to avoid recouping €13 billion – at time of crisis in health, housing & other services & when Brexit is set to cause massive economic disruption to our country!
 

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“One of the most serious incidents has too many shades of the past for us all: the brutal murder of Paul Quinn. It resulted from a dispute between Paul and a son of Vincent Traynor, a local IRA chief. Paul Quinn and some other youths from the area were involved in activities that did not go down well with the senior republican leadership in South Armagh, especially as this new breed of republicans is defying the leadership. It is now quite clear that Vincent had oversold the case against Paul.

Several weeks ago Traynor asked the republican leadership, including Peter and Patrick Quinn from Bog Road—no relations—who run most of the illegal fuel laundering plants in South Armagh for the IRA, to have Quinn executed. After consultation with PJ Carragher and his son Michael, the well known murderous sniper, Thomas “Slab” Murphy, the Provisionals’ commander in the area, Sean Gerard Hughes, known as “the Surgeon”, and James McArdle, permission for the execution was given. Almost 20 republicans were present at the murder as executioners, lookouts, drivers and so on. The eight or nine who conducted the execution were dressed in boiler suits and wore surgical gloves. All were IRA or former IRA members. It took almost half an hour for Paul to die. Every major bone in his body was broken. During the execution he cried for mercy.

Following the murder and the outcry from all parts, a meeting took place in Cullyhanna on Friday 2 November. Although “Slab” Murphy did not attend, a trusted lieutenant was there to speak on his behalf. To quell local discontent, and under pressure from the top, “Slab” offered to put a large amount of cash into the Cullyhanna area in the hope that buying people off with blood money would stop a rift between republicans in South Armagh. The involvement of the republican leadership in South Armagh in the planning, commission and now cover-up of this murder means that it is directly implicated. “Slab” also ordered that no one in the community was to speak to the Garda or PSNI. He was taking full responsibility for the incident because his close associates were involved.

Having felt that they had to blame someone, on 9 November, Friday night past, six armed IRA men went to the home of Vincent Traynor and forced their way in, but Vincent was not there. For the past week Vincent Traynor has been guarded by the police quick reaction force based at Crossmaglen and Newtownhamilton PSNI barracks. Responding to the visit, the QRF was at his house in a matter of minutes, but the IRA gang had gone. Vincent Traynor is now considered to be number one on the IRA hit list because he talked the leadership in South Armagh into the situation that saw the brutal and savage murder of Paul Quinn.

The blame for the murder and the subsequent situation has to lie with the IRA. The IRA veterans of South Armagh want to bring into line the young republicans of the area who are openly defying the leadership. Given those activities, “Slab” Murphy should have his bail in the Republic revoked, as he is now involved in the intimidation of witnesses. At his next court appearance, he should be held in custody while papers for his extradition to Northern Ireland are prepared.

Extreme republicans close to the IRA Army Council are trying to suggest that Paul Quinn’s family is being manipulated to create anti-Sinn Fein propaganda. This is not so. I have been contacted by a number of people and groups from the area who would not normally consider me as a friend asking that the police remove and prosecute those involved, and get them off the streets.

To clarify the situation, if any charges as a result of this murder are brought before the Irish courts, I have not influenced a potential jury by my remarks. It must be remembered that any court without a jury would be a special court. Both Governments need to deal with this type of criminal activity. To brush it under the carpet, as seems to many to be taking place, is just a short-term solution. The island of Ireland will never be at peace until illegal activities are tackled in full and equality is in total operation.”

- John Laird
Nov 12, 2008
 

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“One of the most serious incidents has too many shades of the past for us all: the brutal murder of Paul Quinn.

- John Laird
Nov 12, 2008
And for that speech the unionist Laird was suspended from the HoL for abuse of house privilege.

Quinn was killed in a dispute between smugglers. Jim McAllister said to TV cameras, in front of Mr and Mrs Quinn, that their son was a smuggler. They didn't object.
 


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