What did SF achieve?

Sweet Darling

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“One of the most serious incidents has too many shades of the past for us all: the brutal murder of Paul Quinn. It resulted from a dispute between Paul and a son of Vincent Traynor, a local IRA chief. Paul Quinn and some other youths from the area were involved in activities that did not go down well with the senior republican leadership in South Armagh, especially as this new breed of republicans is defying the leadership. It is now quite clear that Vincent had oversold the case against Paul.

Several weeks ago Traynor asked the republican leadership, including Peter and Patrick Quinn from Bog Road—no relations—who run most of the illegal fuel laundering plants in South Armagh for the IRA, to have Quinn executed. After consultation with PJ Carragher and his son Michael, the well known murderous sniper, Thomas “Slab” Murphy, the Provisionals’ commander in the area, Sean Gerard Hughes, known as “the Surgeon”, and James McArdle, permission for the execution was given. Almost 20 republicans were present at the murder as executioners, lookouts, drivers and so on. The eight or nine who conducted the execution were dressed in boiler suits and wore surgical gloves. All were IRA or former IRA members. It took almost half an hour for Paul to die. Every major bone in his body was broken. During the execution he cried for mercy.

Following the murder and the outcry from all parts, a meeting took place in Cullyhanna on Friday 2 November. Although “Slab” Murphy did not attend, a trusted lieutenant was there to speak on his behalf. To quell local discontent, and under pressure from the top, “Slab” offered to put a large amount of cash into the Cullyhanna area in the hope that buying people off with blood money would stop a rift between republicans in South Armagh. The involvement of the republican leadership in South Armagh in the planning, commission and now cover-up of this murder means that it is directly implicated. “Slab” also ordered that no one in the community was to speak to the Garda or PSNI. He was taking full responsibility for the incident because his close associates were involved.

Having felt that they had to blame someone, on 9 November, Friday night past, six armed IRA men went to the home of Vincent Traynor and forced their way in, but Vincent was not there. For the past week Vincent Traynor has been guarded by the police quick reaction force based at Crossmaglen and Newtownhamilton PSNI barracks. Responding to the visit, the QRF was at his house in a matter of minutes, but the IRA gang had gone. Vincent Traynor is now considered to be number one on the IRA hit list because he talked the leadership in South Armagh into the situation that saw the brutal and savage murder of Paul Quinn.

The blame for the murder and the subsequent situation has to lie with the IRA. The IRA veterans of South Armagh want to bring into line the young republicans of the area who are openly defying the leadership. Given those activities, “Slab” Murphy should have his bail in the Republic revoked, as he is now involved in the intimidation of witnesses. At his next court appearance, he should be held in custody while papers for his extradition to Northern Ireland are prepared.

Extreme republicans close to the IRA Army Council are trying to suggest that Paul Quinn’s family is being manipulated to create anti-Sinn Fein propaganda. This is not so. I have been contacted by a number of people and groups from the area who would not normally consider me as a friend asking that the police remove and prosecute those involved, and get them off the streets.

To clarify the situation, if any charges as a result of this murder are brought before the Irish courts, I have not influenced a potential jury by my remarks. It must be remembered that any court without a jury would be a special court. Both Governments need to deal with this type of criminal activity. To brush it under the carpet, as seems to many to be taking place, is just a short-term solution. The island of Ireland will never be at peace until illegal activities are tackled in full and equality is in total operation.”

- John Laird
Nov 12, 2008
I as a Republican, object to this criminal filth using the term.
 


bang bang

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For decades Sinn Féin supported a murderour campaign by the self-styled Irish Repubican Army (IRA) which resulted in the death of hundreds of civilians. It was, according to SF lore, part of the struggle for the freedom of Ireland.

Now, after 1,000s of lives lost what's been achieved?

A United Ireland, no they've decided to let that be,
An end to British occupation of a part of Ireland, ignored that too,
British soldiers in Ireland, they're still here
A British police force? - Well, SF administer it now...
A British parliament in Stormont, well, they're involved in administering that too.


What did the 'armed struggle' achieve? Why were Sinn Féin opposed to running British institutions in Ireland for decades but now they're happy to do so?
The Republican movement did what had to be done at the time, are you suggesting endless war until all aims are fully achieved? Or are you just another anti Republican troll.
 

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I suppose I am a Republican or Nationalist. I am not proud of the fact that we used violence. Hopefully going forward there will never be a return to the dark days of the 70's, 80's and 90's.
Ní mbeidh dúnmharú ann arís.
Ta suil agam.
 

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Listowel is our resident "Loon". Whose biggest regret seems to be that he was not born and bred on the Shankill road, Belfast.
Towely aka butcher boy, why you ask. Well because he's a fan of Lenny and the boys, he has also expressed his admiration for paratrooper F because he had the most kills on bloody Sunday. This is one seriously sick individual.
 

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“One of the most serious incidents has too many shades of the past for us all: the brutal murder of Paul Quinn. It resulted from a dispute between Paul and a son of Vincent Traynor, a local IRA chief. Paul Quinn and some other youths from the area were involved in activities that did not go down well with the senior republican leadership in South Armagh, especially as this new breed of republicans is defying the leadership. It is now quite clear that Vincent had oversold the case against Paul.

Several weeks ago Traynor asked the republican leadership, including Peter and Patrick Quinn from Bog Road—no relations—who run most of the illegal fuel laundering plants in South Armagh for the IRA, to have Quinn executed. After consultation with PJ Carragher and his son Michael, the well known murderous sniper, Thomas “Slab” Murphy, the Provisionals’ commander in the area, Sean Gerard Hughes, known as “the Surgeon”, and James McArdle, permission for the execution was given. Almost 20 republicans were present at the murder as executioners, lookouts, drivers and so on. The eight or nine who conducted the execution were dressed in boiler suits and wore surgical gloves. All were IRA or former IRA members. It took almost half an hour for Paul to die. Every major bone in his body was broken. During the execution he cried for mercy.

Following the murder and the outcry from all parts, a meeting took place in Cullyhanna on Friday 2 November. Although “Slab” Murphy did not attend, a trusted lieutenant was there to speak on his behalf. To quell local discontent, and under pressure from the top, “Slab” offered to put a large amount of cash into the Cullyhanna area in the hope that buying people off with blood money would stop a rift between republicans in South Armagh. The involvement of the republican leadership in South Armagh in the planning, commission and now cover-up of this murder means that it is directly implicated. “Slab” also ordered that no one in the community was to speak to the Garda or PSNI. He was taking full responsibility for the incident because his close associates were involved.

Having felt that they had to blame someone, on 9 November, Friday night past, six armed IRA men went to the home of Vincent Traynor and forced their way in, but Vincent was not there. For the past week Vincent Traynor has been guarded by the police quick reaction force based at Crossmaglen and Newtownhamilton PSNI barracks. Responding to the visit, the QRF was at his house in a matter of minutes, but the IRA gang had gone. Vincent Traynor is now considered to be number one on the IRA hit list because he talked the leadership in South Armagh into the situation that saw the brutal and savage murder of Paul Quinn.

The blame for the murder and the subsequent situation has to lie with the IRA. The IRA veterans of South Armagh want to bring into line the young republicans of the area who are openly defying the leadership. Given those activities, “Slab” Murphy should have his bail in the Republic revoked, as he is now involved in the intimidation of witnesses. At his next court appearance, he should be held in custody while papers for his extradition to Northern Ireland are prepared.

Extreme republicans close to the IRA Army Council are trying to suggest that Paul Quinn’s family is being manipulated to create anti-Sinn Fein propaganda. This is not so. I have been contacted by a number of people and groups from the area who would not normally consider me as a friend asking that the police remove and prosecute those involved, and get them off the streets.

To clarify the situation, if any charges as a result of this murder are brought before the Irish courts, I have not influenced a potential jury by my remarks. It must be remembered that any court without a jury would be a special court. Both Governments need to deal with this type of criminal activity. To brush it under the carpet, as seems to many to be taking place, is just a short-term solution. The island of Ireland will never be at peace until illegal activities are tackled in full and equality is in total operation.”

- John Laird
Nov 12, 2008
Worth a bump, this thread...
 

Patslatt1

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For decades Sinn Féin supported a murderour campaign by the self-styled Irish Repubican Army (IRA) which resulted in the death of hundreds of civilians. It was, according to SF lore, part of the struggle for the freedom of Ireland.

Now, after 1,000s of lives lost what's been achieved?

A United Ireland, no they've decided to let that be,
An end to British occupation of a part of Ireland, ignored that too,
British soldiers in Ireland, they're still here
A British police force? - Well, SF administer it now...
A British parliament in Stormont, well, they're involved in administering that too.


What did the 'armed struggle' achieve? Why were Sinn Féin opposed to running British institutions in Ireland for decades but now they're happy to do so?
Pig headed Catholic nationalism and bigotry unnecessarily prolonged the violence when it should have been obvious the British stubborn streak would never give in to Provo paramilitaries.
 

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Pig headed Catholic nationalism and bigotry unnecessarily prolonged the violence when it should have been obvious the British stubborn streak would never give in to Provo paramilitaries.
Section 31 and the attitude of Southern sleeveens with no backbone prolonged the rebellion.
The republicans abandoned by the Southern Establishment became an echo chamber where the hard men dominated and no quarter must be given. That continued until John Hume approached Gerry Adams who then believed he had an opening to maneouvre republicans towards peace. Albert Reynolds deserves enormous credit aswell, when he quickly removed Section 31 to a chorous of disaproval in Dublin, but with that the IRA fundamentalists began to lose their sway.
Dublin Establishment prior to Reynolds should feel nnothing but deep shame, abandoning the Northern Gael, censoring them, then doing high fives with Paisleyites and the Brits.
 

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Pig headed Catholic nationalism and bigotry unnecessarily prolonged the violence when it should have been obvious the British stubborn streak would never give in to Provo paramilitaries.
And yet the liberal application of large quantities of explosive to Londons financial districts knocked the a lot of stubborness out of them

As a wag once opined: "If you think violence doesnt work, you're not using enough"
 

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one seriously sick individual
SF/IRA supporters love to attack anyone who won't play along with their lies fairytales

"a know it all " - how Brian Warfield tried to dismiss Fintan O'Toole

"seriously sick" - how you try to dismiss me

"very animated" - how Mary Lou tried to mock Pat Kenny when asked about Paul Quinn
 

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They cheered while Ireland introduced a liberal abortion regime that offers no protection whatsoever to the unborn child.
SF/IRA wouldn't protect their own leader's niece so why should they protect stranger's children?
 

antidistinctlyminty (ADM)

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SF/IRA wouldn't protect their own leader's niece so why should they protect stranger's children?
Its what they always do when a particular crime was bad PR for them - attack the victim or their family eg. Jean McConville ran off with a British Soldier and abandoned her children - What seems to be missed here is the use of the words "Everybody accepts that" in his interview 13 years ago.

He said “Paul Quinn was involved in smuggling and criminality and I think everyone accepts that,” Conor murphy needs to explain why he was so certain that Paul Quinn was a criminal - why would anyone say something like that three weeks after the killing
 

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For decades Sinn Féin supported a murderour campaign by the self-styled Irish Repubican Army (IRA) which resulted in the death of hundreds of civilians. It was, according to SF lore, part of the struggle for the freedom of Ireland.

Now, after 1,000s of lives lost what's been achieved?

A United Ireland, no they've decided to let that be,
An end to British occupation of a part of Ireland, ignored that too,
British soldiers in Ireland, they're still here
A British police force? - Well, SF administer it now...
A British parliament in Stormont, well, they're involved in administering that too.


What did the 'armed struggle' achieve? Why were Sinn Féin opposed to running British institutions in Ireland for decades but now they're happy to do so?
A victory based on hope is the short answer.

A murderous history? Which party doesn't in the final analysis. Do LV or MM baulk at laying garlands on the graves of official heroes. All killers. No. They do not.

History is a funny thing. Best of luck SF dragging the monkies into the 21st century. Rawlsian! Mary Lou. Keep it Rawlsian. The monkies will love you once they see what can be done.

Bye bye FG. Another 20yrs in opposition for you hopefully. What a show though. A priest avatar was only going to get you so far.
 


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