What Do Ministers Zappone And Mitchell O'Connor Know About Children And Jobs?

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Well the good news there is that there have been females at senior level in politics for quite some time now so the ones with ability and those without are becoming apparent.

It was desperate in the UK for a while there with Harriet Harman and Heather whassname trying to trade sexism into a Prime Ministerial appointment.

It will be still some time before the automated charge of sexism starts looking a bit weary. Just as there was no reason in the past to assume that intelligence and ability were distributed by gender there is equally no reason now to assume because someone is female that the only thing holding her back is sexism.

Doesn't stop the chip being thrown on the table by female chancers though. Of whom I am confident there are no less in the female section of the community in Ireland than there are in the male section.
 


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Sexist, racist and ageist all in one sentence.

I look forward th the next GE, after which she'll be known as 'former deputy' for the brief time before her well deserved obscurity.
 

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Thinking back on MMOCs ludicrous mobile-phone driven shambolic presentation to FG's parliamentary party a couple of years ago I can't understand how someone with the communication skills of a first year College student and the driving skills of a second year student has managed to parlay all that obvious skillset into a Ministerial position.
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Two X chromosomes and a Dublin constituency.
 

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MMOC seemed to go from arriving in Dun Laoghaire and its environs in 1999 to being a Councillor for the area. Then a Progressive Democrat but switched to Fine Gael in 2007.

"Welcoming her to the party, Enda Kenny said that it was "the first move by a Progressive Democrats public representative to join an alternative party since the general election" Mary Mitchell O'Connor - Wikipedia

Back then Fine Gael was 'alternative' I see. Got the nod from FG three years later with the nomination for Dail candidate for FG in Dun Laoghaire.

It is pretty rapid networking it has to be said. From first acquaintance with the constituency through Councillor, TD and then Minister that is some canter.

She'll be in the Phoenix Park before we know it.
 

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Ireland's Prime Minister appoints Ireland's Minister for Jobs as one Mary Mitchell O'Connor. Why?

He appoints Katherine Zappone as Minister for Children. Why?

Are we not already in enough trouble?
A bit simplistic your views? We have no system to parachute in business people into politics. If we did we might have people with business experience. That being said there is a thing called a professional politicians who learns how the political system works and then after an apprenticeship gets a cabinet post. Trump is a business man /job creator and has failed spectacularly to change anything. He had no real political background
 
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It's well worth noting that Thatcher and lemass - both effective politicians were professional politicians. We haven't had a decent taoiseach in decades. When you judge them in the round. A partial list system would allow some business people or experts in but you'd be a fool to turn the system entirely over to 'experts'
 

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It's well worth noting that Thatcher and lemass - both effective politicians were professional politicians. We haven't had a decent taoiseach in decades. When you judge them in the round. A partial list system would allow some business people or experts in but you'd be a fool to turn the system entirely over to 'experts'
Two questions occur to me.

(1) Why would more business people be desirable?

(2) What would qualify someone as an 'expert' for inclusion on a party list?
 

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It's well worth noting that Thatcher and lemass - both effective politicians were professional politicians. We haven't had a decent taoiseach in decades. When you judge them in the round. A partial list system would allow some business people or experts in but you'd be a fool to turn the system entirely over to 'experts'
A list system gives far too much power to party managers
 

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She is utterly out of her depth and shouldn't be anywhere near the Dail.

She seems happy to jump on any bandwagon except the one to which she was appointed.

She is typical left wing liberal who thinks negotiating consists of acting like a child, sulking and not talking to those you disagree with.

She is the living, breathing, talking evidence of how stupid the Irish electorate can be and is the negative side to democracy.
 
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