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What do we as FG voters want to happen now


Iarmhi Gael

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Just wanted to get the mood of the FG voters.

Here is my thoughts

1. A more unified opposition against FF / Greens / Independents (I think its disjointed)
2. A change in Government (We need this to bring confidence back to economy)
3. A protest up and down this country against FF and its failings within office (The public need a voice and not a union one)
 

Question R24U

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The ideal for FG would be a bumper election day on june 5th by holding a general election as well. Only they, and ff, have the capacity to fight on all those fronts. Short of assassination and kidnappings it should do all it can to bring it about -eg get grealish, possible ff dedectors, use the seanad numbers, secret deals with the greens. Pile the pressure on - make life unbearable for ff ministers, tds (some who have just lost a huge pension), members and voters.
 

TradCat

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Just wanted to get the mood of the FG voters.

Here is my thoughts

1. A more unified opposition against FF / Greens / Independents (I think its disjointed)
2. A change in Government (We need this to bring confidence back to economy)
3. A protest up and down this country against FF and its failings within office (The public need a voice and not a union one)
I think FG need to show that if they get itno office it won't mean Labour will be in power.

Yes we need a change of government

The voters you want are not the demonstrating kind and FG's history with street politics is not a happy one
 

Poll Topper

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I think FG voters are happy enough to let this play out a little bit longer. Generally in the past FG has been unlucky with the cycle of the economy and their periods in Govt. This time they have avoided inheriting the current problems and can instead enjoy the fruits of FF's current unpopularity.

There is no doubt about it that they will be in the next Govt whenever that comes about. The main thing for them is to continue what they are doing right - Not being too negative, support the Govt on certain issues which make sense and oppose them on others but at the same time keep providing their own policies and solutions.
 

Lloyd-Apjohn

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As well as getting FG back into power breaking the back of FF is as important because all the corruption and strokes and bad policies come back to FF and developers and the money taken by FF. Money no doubt on offer to all parties but only FF took it.

So smashing that cycle and culture of corruption is fundamental to Ireland's future.
 

White Horse

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I think FG need to show that if they get itno office it won't mean Labour will be in power.

Yes we need a change of government
FG need to convince the electorate to give them a mandate to govern on their own.

The country needs a single party FG government.
 
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FG need to convince the electorate to give them a mandate to govern on their own.

The country needs a single party FG government.
Exactly what needs to happen, but where could that additional 15% come from? Getting stay at homers out is the only possible prospect.
 

Cyberspaced

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FG need to convince the electorate to give them a mandate to govern on their own.

The country needs a single party FG government.
Hear Hear.

Never have we needed a FG Government minus Labour so much before.
We need to dispell this idea that we can let FF "stew in their own mess" ,and get in there and do what is best for the country.

Personally, I feel we are as a party becoming further and further apart from Labour and I hate the fact that some of our Oireachtas members even make reference to the idea that the next Gov will be FG/Lab. Even Enda is saying it. We nned to go for the jugular and that means trying for the overall majority. Whether it is possible or not is another thing but we need to fight elections like it is.
 

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This is the first time ever that FF has been at such a low ebb so whereas before FF would always get at least 40% leaving the rest of fight over 60% things are different now. FG should be aiming at 45% at least - a hard slog but if you don't aim high ...
 

west'sawake

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I think FG voters are happy enough to let this play out a little bit longer. Generally in the past FG has been unlucky with the cycle of the economy and their periods in Govt. This time they have avoided inheriting the current problems and can instead enjoy the fruits of FF's current unpopularity.

There is no doubt about it that they will be in the next Govt whenever that comes about. The main thing for them is to continue what they are doing right - Not being too negative, support the Govt on certain issues which make sense and oppose them on others but at the same time keep providing their own policies and solutions.
F.G. need to be the defender of the tax payer and the new unemployed. It needs to put clearer blue water between itself and a Coporatist FF,Labour, S.F and the Greens. It needs to accept the will of the Irish People on Lisbon.

If it does all this, then it will be a real alternative in Irish Politics and could even get an overall majority. but as things stand it cannot fill the vacuum that is waiting to be filled.

Ths is why, I am going to vote and canvass for Libertas and Independents in the Euros, and will vote F.G and Independents in the Locals, as there may be some F.G or Independents who have a track record of being against Lisbon. Come the General Election, I will probably vote F.G, if there is not a credible political force that meets the above criteria.

I voted F.G. in the last two General Elections
 
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SPN

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Just wanted to get the mood of the FG voters.

Here is my thoughts

1. A more unified opposition against FF / Greens / Independents (I think its disjointed)
And FG/Lab won't be disjointed?

FG want to reform the public service, Labour want to tax the people who create the wealth.

Those two philosophies will not coexist. We need clarity on which philosophy a FG/Lab Government will give primacy to.

If FG cannot guarantee that they will force Labour to make the necessary changes, then a vote for FG is a wasted vote.



2. A change in Government (We need this to bring confidence back to economy)
How can we have confidence in the alternative when they won;t tell us what their agreed agenda is, and when one Party wants to outlaw diesel by 2015?


3. A protest up and down this country against FF and its failings within office (The public need a voice and not a union one)
The country expressed its view on FF (and FG/Lab) in 2007. Deal with it.
 

anlkestony

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Fine Gael just have to keep producing alternative solutions as they have been doing recently to show that they can be seen as a viable alternative. After FF get hammered in local elections put forward motion of no confidence requesting a General Election as FF will need to win a new mandate
 

irish_bob

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Hear Hear.

Never have we needed a FG Government minus Labour so much before.
We need to dispell this idea that we can let FF "stew in their own mess" ,and get in there and do what is best for the country.

Personally, I feel we are as a party becoming further and further apart from Labour and I hate the fact that some of our Oireachtas members even make reference to the idea that the next Gov will be FG/Lab. Even Enda is saying it. We nned to go for the jugular and that means trying for the overall majority. Whether it is possible or not is another thing but we need to fight elections like it is.

i am not a fine gael supporter per say as i feel they have drifted far too much to the centre this past few decades , for a long time they have been nothing but fianna fail lite
leave populism to FF , they know how to do it better than anyone else

fine gael need to listen to middle ireland , specifically the private sector who have no voice , they need to promise to reform not only the public sector ( not pretend reform like FF ) and also the extrordinarily generous wellfare state which i believe is at the heart of a lot of the social problems in this country , personal responsibility has become the ultimate dirty word in the liberal dominated media and chattering class nowadays , fine gael need to close thier ears to the chapagne socilists of rte and the irish times and instead listen to mr and mrs middle ireland tax payer , if they do this , they can i believe form a single party goverment without the boulder around thier neck which is LABOUR , ireland is still more conservative than you would think from listening to our left wing dominated media , fine gael need to rediscover thier conservative instincts and the silent majority will follow


heres an excellent article from david quinn in last fridays indo

Door wide open for FG to be taxpayer's champion - Analysis, Opinion - Independent.ie
 
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How can we have confidence in the alternative when they won;t tell us what their agreed agenda is, and when one Party wants to outlaw diesel by 2015?
The country expressed its view on FF (and FG/Lab) in 2007. Deal with it.
Nobody wants to ban diesel - they have an aim of replacing diesel with biodiesel and as you pointed out, they got their figures wrong - I don't think anyone outside the Greens will vote on that basis.
Agreed the people decided in 2007 that they wanted FF back in power, not sure they wanted the Greens with them but thats what we got - I believe that the people have the right to be wrong. I want to deal with it by replacing them at the earliest opportunity.
 

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Well an overall majority FG govt is not likely to happen, it would firstly obviously be unprecedented, but more to the point, one is looking at almost doubling the current support and decimating FF altogether. FF is still very strong with the hard to shift core support.

But I'd be happy with a FG/Green govt. FG would push the fiscally responsible policies needed, and Green would enhance much needed Green measures with a nice competitive dynamic as an alternative view point on all policy decisions. One party government (at least for a long period of time) would never be my favoured, regardless of who that one party would be.
 

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I do not know why FGers go out of their way to have a go at the Greens. they would be ideal coalition partners for FG
*broadly speaking from same social classes-generally higher income-in fact probably very high income
*not very policy driven-last 2 years has shown that they will go with the flow in return for very little
*not interested in policy outside their areas.

In fact they look more like FF every day you watch them. FG should try to get their buy in to an anti FF coalition govt after a GE. It would cost very little.
 

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We must never forget that Fine Gael tried to tax shoes until a socialist put a stop to their Gallup
 

geraghd

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We must never forget that Fine Gael tried to tax shoes until a socialist put a stop to their Gallup
I thought socialists liked taxes.
 

Marlowe

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The period after the june elections will be one of great oppertunity for FG.The general public will be shocked at the scale of FF's defeat.There will be huge coverage in the media.It will be driven home to everybody the calamitous results of keeping FF in power.FG should have a relentless campaign ready to highlight the positives in all the policies they have been developing.Everything should be positive and forward looking.They must keep highlighting that our country can be re-vitalised and renewed by a new hard working visionary govt free from corruption and ready to take whatever action is necessary without fear or favour.This campaign must continue all summer,especially while the govt are away on their holidays.FG must get their top spokespeople on the media at every oppertunity,especially Richard Bruton.The govt have deservedly received a massive public bashing and will continue to do so,so FG must drive home the message that there is hope,that they will work day and night to save this country,that they are not interested in skipping away for half the summer while the rest of us struggle on just to make ends meet.
In other words,they must develop an irrestible momentum and keep it going.The last thing they need is a political lull over the summer.They must work,work,work,to drive home the message that they have the policies the desire and the vision to re-build a new Ireland from the ruins left by one of the worst govts in the history of western democracy.
 
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