What does religion contribute to society



gerhard dengler

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The Nazis believed in the absolute superiority of the Ayran race. It’s ethics, moral values were pre-eminent and all other value systems were subordinated to the point of physical extinction .
The Nazi creed was supported by millions of west Europeans as being right.

Others disagreed and the result was world war as we know.
All sides believed sincerely in what they were doing.

Yet no side really wanted war or the levels of human carnage that actually happened.

The reason war happened was the absence of an agreed moral code on the value of all human life and a widespread rejection of fundamental objective Christian principles .
That's telling him. That third level degree wasn't wasted.
if you are an Atheist ,one would accept that religion is a man made idea which in turn means morals and values are also man made .The standards that religion are based on are not other worldly surly?
I'm not sure that what you ascribe (above) to atheists is true.

Some months back on here we had several atheists taking umbrage when what constitutes their "beliefs" was being discussed here.

But if you are instead saying that religion is "man made" what persuades you to think that replacing "religion" with a different "man made" system could work better?
 

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You believe in killing unborn innocent children.
You think that is morally acceptable.

I reject that as being wrong and a fundamental denial of human rights.

Yours is not religion but death , destruction and negativity of a primal nature.

I expect you wish to extend your death cult to any less than perfect living human.

What you are is a Nazi in the mould of Richard Rheinhardt the Hangman.
That was his religion and now it is yours.
Maybe there is no right and wrong ,just a level of acceptance . If you do not accept the heaven and hell lark then all bets are off ..except for the conscience.
 

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I read somewhere "would it be possible to be a christian and not believe in God" - that's something I could sign up for.
Like most spiritual leaders a lot of the message was pure, its only when those in power chose to adapt it for political and financial gain and control of the masses with fairy in the sky stories that the BS started.
 

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It's important to know the parameters what you want to discuss.

The definitions of religion are -
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
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a particular system of faith and worship.
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a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.

Etc.

What's yours?

"Leaving out the moral teachings"? Did you read your own op?

I think you will have to expand on that a tad, im at a loss what to reply
 

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You do not need religion to behave ethically - People already knew it was wrong to kill long before anyone with a dog collar told them so.
It looks like most adults in this State

- now think that it is OK to kill....:|

And the Church & Religious organisations are amongst the ones opposing this Abomination!
 

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I think you will have to expand on that a tad, im at a loss what to reply
In short - what do you mean by " religion" and how can you ask that moral teachings be left out when you use them as a basis for your own op?
 

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Maybe there is no right and wrong ,just a level of acceptance . If you do not accept the heaven and hell lark then all bets are off ..except for the conscience.

So now you are contradicting your assertion in the OP that, "we all know the difference between right and wrong."
 

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You do not need religion to behave ethically - People already knew it was wrong to kill long before anyone with a dog collar told them so.
Rubbish!

Take a look at cultures where killing was seen as a righteous or necessary act.
Killing has long been viewed from the perspective of self-interest and not as an act that is wrong in itself.
This is where we're now moving to in Ireland 2018.

Your values and morality are Christian-based, whether you know it or not.
 

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Rubbish!

Take a look at cultures where killing was seen as a righteous or necessary act.
Killing has long been viewed from the perspective of self-interest and not as an act that is wrong in itself.
This is where we're now moving to in Ireland 2018.

Your values and morality are Christian-based, whether you know it or not.
Maybe, if you make the distinction between the Christian message and the religion that was wrapped around it
 

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Maybe there is no right and wrong ,just a level of acceptance . If you do not accept the heaven and hell lark then all bets are off ..except for the conscience.
Congratulations!

You've just made a leap of logic that has evaded even some of the better known atheistic thinkers.

Morality is objective, or it isn't morality - it's acceptance.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/04/atheisms-empty-tomb/
 

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We all know the difference between right and wrong , what we should do and what we should not do

If you take the practical ideas away, which are contained across the board in all religious ,what are we left with?
Moral laws and values are something that should start in every home and spread through a community.Does society really need a religion to "guide us".

Under the current religious model we have widespread abuse , an archaic view on women , paedophile priests been given protection, Cries of bankruptcy in regard to payment of redress, homophobia , charity spin offs with tax issues, Christina Gallagher type character's mopping up the gravy that surrounds the main course etc etc ,

Leaving out the Moral teachings ,What does religion contribute to society that we cannot obtain elsewhere?



Religious groups still owe
Religion serves as a living reminder of a superstitious past, it shows us what can happen if you put your trust in the self proclaimed representatives of mythical beings.
 

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Rubbish!

Take a look at cultures where killing was seen as a righteous or necessary act.
Killing has long been viewed from the perspective of self-interest and not as an act that is wrong in itself.
This is where we're now moving to in Ireland 2018.

Your values and morality are Christian-based, whether you know it or not.
That is something modern liberals hate to acknowledge
 

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Maybe, if you make the distinction between the Christian message and the religion that was wrapped around it
What you consider 'the religion' may be nothing other than your own cultural conditioning.

Have you read the documents of the Church, or have you depended on the tv, barstool or tabloids for your religious instruction?
 

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On the plus side: Bach, Fra Angelico, Dante.

On the minus: the primacy of blind faith over reasoned scepticism.

On balance, we'd be better off without it. Bach would still have composed, Fra Angelico painted and Dante written.
Music is the great legacy- I’m pretty sure Bach wouldn’t be known today were it not for his burning religious fervour. All of his extant mss are initially SDG - ‘solely for the Glory of God’
 


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