What does religion contribute to society



benroe

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I'm sure it's only a coincidence that your morals happen to coincide with a sizable chunk of society.
No, why would it, we have fought religion long and hard to create a fairer society.
 

Travis Bickle

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Religion is a set of parameters set by someone else, which dictates what you can or cannot do. It has no place within the mechanics of a mature developed society.
If individuals wish to follow their particular brand, that's fine as long as no laws are broken.
 

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I'm sure it's only a coincidence that your morals happen to coincide with a sizable chunk of society.
I've never sold babies or raped anyone, or covered up the rapes committed by others despite what the religious orders have done. My morals and ethics are just fine thank you very much.
 

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Capitalism is as Capitalism does. If this was the 1950s you would busy shaming unmarried mothers.
If this was the 1950's I would be lubing myself up with body oil and a blood red loincloth and butchering them in a heavily stylized manner.
 

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You do not need religion to behave ethically - People already knew it was wrong to kill long before anyone with a dog collar told them so.
The question is, did they really know it was wrong to kill someone else before being told? Because if they did it means there is an innate sense of right and wrong in the universe and right and wrong has an intrinsic value in itself. That would certainly be a religious question.
 

Buchaill Dana

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Not so. The standard remains; it's people who fall short.
No it does not. The 'standard' can be hate filled, bitter and murderous. And entirely unaccountable
 

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The question is, did they really know it was wrong to kill someone else before being told? Because if they did it means there is an innate sense of right and wrong in the universe and right and wrong has an intrinsic value in itself. That would certainly be a religious question.
So there was no morality before religion? Are you sure about that?
 

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The question is, did they really know it was wrong to kill someone else before being told? Because if they did it means there is an innate sense of right and wrong in the universe and right and wrong has an intrinsic value in itself. That would certainly be a religious question.
So you think in a universe without life there would still be morals?
 

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Your values and morality are Christian-based, whether you know it or not.
No they're not. You could just as easily claim that they are Buddhist based.

Even in newly discovered, so called primitive societies they had sanctions against things like murder and rape. Without a Christian in sight.

If you wish to attribute your own ability to not rape and murder your neighbors to some invisible being, that is of course your choice - but do not expect the rest of us to be so simple.
 

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No, why would it, we have fought religion long and hard to create a fairer society.
Through hatred, lust, greed and vanity. But goodness will win against your evil.
Where has atheism created a faire society ?
 

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So society gets to determine what is moral and what is a value, instead of "religion"?
It is amusing to me how you treat religion and society as two different things when the latter is the child/product of the former.

That experiment has been tried by several societies, and history shows how those experiments fared.
No it hasn't, for the reasons above.


And no, I don't accept that society automatically knows right from wrong.
Then how did it make up religion?
 

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The question is, did they really know it was wrong to kill someone else before being told? Because if they did it means there is an innate sense of right and wrong in the universe and right and wrong has an intrinsic value in itself. That would certainly be a religious question.
Well, yes. Man has always been a social primate living in groups of varying sizes. And these groups have increased in size as the population has increased from small tribes thousands of years ago, to the great cities of today.

We have evolved to live together, and to cooperate with other groups. None of which would be possible if we were the violent, immoral savages religious folk believe their fairy converted us from.

Which they don't because they are creationists.
 
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No they're not. You could just as easily claim that they are Buddhist based.

Even in newly discovered, so called primitive societies they had sanctions against things like murder and rape. Without a Christian in sight.

If you wish to attribute your own ability to not rape and murder your neighbors to some invisible being, that is of course your choice - but do not expect the rest of us to be so simple.
One possible explanation of that would be that there is no such thing as morality, that it is merely a collection of rules defined by the self-interest of the group, be that group a State, a religion or any other organized group.
 

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One possible explanation of that would be that there is no such thing as morality, that it is merely a collection of rules defined by the self-interest of the group, be that group a State, a religion or any other organized group.
Well, the reality is that having an innate sense of right and wrong is an evolutionary successful trait, and one that has been instrumental in the stunning success of the species.

Or you can believe we're (mostly) good only because we fear punishment from an invisible being.
 

Buchaill Dana

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One possible explanation of that would be that there is no such thing as morality, that it is merely a collection of rules defined by the self-interest of the group, be that group a State, a religion or any other organized group.
Yet how come nearly every group independently came to a broadly similar morality? Property rights, tightly limited killing, no rape, marriage etc?
 

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We all know the difference between right and wrong , what we should do and what we should not do

If you take the practical ideas away, which are contained across the board in all religious ,what are we left with?
Moral laws and values are something that should start in every home and spread through a community.Does society really need a religion to "guide us".

Under the current religious model we have widespread abuse , an archaic view on women , paedophile priests been given protection, Cries of bankruptcy in regard to payment of redress, homophobia , charity spin offs with tax issues, Christina Gallagher type character's mopping up the gravy that surrounds the main course etc etc ,

Leaving out the Moral teachings ,What does religion contribute to society that we cannot obtain elsewhere?
Western society was founded by the Catholic religion. Plain and simple. That's obvious if anyone wants to look it up.
 


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