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What has Joan Burton been doing for the past 18 months?


Teabag

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She was very vocal in opposition but what has she achieved as the Minister for Social Protection since coming into power?
I remember her going on and on about means testing the child benefit which I think most people support and yet the latest budget kite flying is talking about a €10 reduction across the board. Where is the mean testing project plan?
What is she doing about getting people off welfare? Where is the rest of the social welfare reform? Any reform.
A year ago I heard her saying that she expected the growth in the economy to help reduce the deficit i.e. lets just wait it out and hope for the best.
Howlin is utterly clueless and useless. Is Burton ducking her job too?
 


statsman

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You'll find out next week.
 

SPN

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Q: What has Joan Burton been doing for the past 18 months?

A: Racking up credits towards her gold plated pension.
 

lying eyes

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She is pondering, as to why she is not minister for finance, I am an accountant Ya know...
 

collina

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Very little.

The Minister for Social Protection has almost no decissions to make. Social Protection payments and allowances are set by the Department of Finance at Budget time once a year, then the Department for Social Protection apply them over the next year. It is one of the busyiest departments at staff level however.

I've no idea what Burton could be doing to earn the salary.
 

Jack Maher

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On the 13th November, I gave a young neighbour a lift home from the dole office, where they'd been informed that their next sign-on date is the 8th Jan 2013. All they has to to in the meantime is pick up their money from the local post office every Friday.

This is INCREDIBLE - no requirement to prove they're actively seeking employment, no requirement to attend training, work schemes, advice centres, voluntary work initiatives, jobseeking workshops, etc.

I asked about what ID they needed to show when signing on and I was informed that they weren't asked for any. With such a lax system, it doesn't take a genius to work out that we are wide open to welfare tourism, where persons living abroad fly in to sign on and then return home to allow one of their mates to collect their weekly dole. If I remember correctly, thousands of people failed to sign-on during the ash crisis when flights were grounded a few years ago.

I was seriously irked yesterday when I heard the audio from the Dail when Eamonn Gilmore was detailing the community charges applicable in N.I., to be greeted with Ooh's, Aah's and gasps of astonishment from the benches. Was this total news to theses effers? Are they totally ignorant how things operate in other jurisdictions?
It's time to get real in this country and ensure that welfare fraud and excessive state pensions are tackled before imposing any future taxes or cuts to vital services.
 

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She has joined Varadkar in pleading with her constituents in Dublin West not to punish the government for the loss of the Children's Hospital and the sudden loss of the promised Primary Care Centre at Corduff. She lives in Central Dublin so why on earth she is TD for Dublin West is beyond me.
Joan is busy avoiding the very people that worked with her for the past 30 years in trying to get a care centre for Corduff. You could say that Joan is canvassing for FF
 

hammer

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She was very vocal in opposition but what has she achieved as the Minister for Social Protection since coming into power?
I remember her going on and on about means testing the child benefit which I think most people support and yet the latest budget kite flying is talking about a €10 reduction across the board. Where is the mean testing project plan?
What is she doing about getting people off welfare? Where is the rest of the social welfare reform? Any reform.
A year ago I heard her saying that she expected the growth in the economy to help reduce the deficit i.e. lets just wait it out and hope for the best.
Howlin is utterly clueless and useless. Is Burton ducking her job too?
Kite flying 6 days prior to budget. Doubt it :)

I told you previously it would be cut by €10.................kite flying was saying it would be cut by €40 by some stupid bankers in some report
 

damus

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Very little.

The Minister for Social Protection has almost no decissions to make. Social Protection payments and allowances are set by the Department of Finance at Budget time once a year, then the Department for Social Protection apply them over the next year. It is one of the busyiest departments at staff level however.

I've no idea what Burton could be doing to earn the salary.
Making various policy decisions.

  • To reduce the time period of eligibility for JB to 12 months max, with suggestions that it's going to be reduced to 9 months in Budget 2012.
  • Reducing expenditure on gas/electricity/telephone allowance.
  • Reducing child benefit rates for a qualified third and fourth child.
  • Reducing the child clothing and footwear allowance and increasing the age from 2-4 years.
  • Discontinuing OFP for all new claims when the oldest child reaches 7 years.
  • Reducing fuel allowance for existing claims from 32 to 26 weeks.
  • Reducing jobseekers based on a five day week as opposed to a six day week if the claimant is working part-time and from 2013 taking Sundays in to account when determining your level of entitlement (which remains to be seen).
  • Commencing a free labour scheme for employers and members of IBEC ie, Jobsbridge.
  • Devising Intreo which is suppose to be a new integrated rights and entitlement service.
  • Bringing CE under the remit of the DSP.
  • Stopping awarding disablement benefit under the OIB scheme if your level of disablement award is 10%.
 

skiii

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Avoiding Risin Shorthall and listening to Lyric fm with Rabbitte and Gilmore and currently sourcing a pair of designer dark glasses.
 

True Republican

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child benefit should be cut to €100 per month in this budget but no the government are too spineless.
 

collina

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Making various policy decisions.

  • To reduce the time period of eligibility for JB to 12 months max, with suggestions that it's going to be reduced to 9 months in Budget 2012.
  • Reducing expenditure on gas/electricity/telephone allowance.
  • Reducing child benefit rates for a qualified third and fourth child.
  • Reducing the child clothing and footwear allowance and increasing the age from 2-4 years.
  • Discontinuing OFP for all new claims when the oldest child reaches 7 years.
  • Reducing fuel allowance for existing claims from 32 to 26 weeks.
  • Reducing jobseekers based on a five day week as opposed to a six day week if the claimant is working part-time and from 2013 taking Sundays in to account when determining your level of entitlement (which remains to be seen).
  • Commencing a free labour scheme for employers and members of IBEC ie, Jobsbridge.
  • Devising Intreo which is suppose to be a new integrated rights and entitlement service.
  • Bringing CE under the remit of the DSP.
  • Stopping awarding disablement benefit under the OIB scheme if your level of disablement award is 10%.
Most of these policy areas are decided by the Department of Finance and mostly at the behest of EU/EMF.
 

damus

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Most of these policy areas are decided by the Department of Finance and mostly at the behest of EU/EMF.
From my understanding the principle officers/asst. principles from each departmental section would make several suggestions on how to save money and reform the different programme areas of spend....and from there the negotiations begin.
 

collina

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From my understanding the principle officers/asst. principles from each departmental section would make several suggestions on how to save money and reform the different programme areas of spend....and from there the negotiations begin.
Yes that's correct.

Management at DSP make a pool of suggestions which they submit to the minister. The Minister can do nothing without sanction from Finance. DSP isn't like other departments like Justice, Health and Education which have lots of policy areas that finance would have no interest in. Virtually everything that happens at DSP is either the consequence of a Finance policy or subject to it's sanction.

I've no idea what the Minister for SP does for a living.
 

Red_93

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Now, now....how much of that €500+m can be attributed to fraud as distinct from error :)?
Who knows. Either way it was error/fraud accumulated under FF and cleared up under Joan.
 

collina

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Nothing of any great significance for the Minister there.

Civil Servants devised and operated the investigation into fraud. Civil Servants compiled the pensions report. FAS was simply moved from one Department to another. That JobBridge sounds exploitative.
 

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