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"What If" Fianna Fail lost power in 2007

Tomas Mor

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If FF had lost power in 2007,and Rainbow Coaltion came to power what would have happened given the economic meltdown that has happened since. We all know that FF would blame it on ineptitude and weakness of new Coalition, saying they would have handled it better, that developers and bankers work hand in glove with FF, and that they lose confidence when their party is out of power,and that FF handed over the country in pristine condition ! FF would also deny they created the mess and would deny Lehmans had anything to do with it. They would attack and waylay the new Gov every step of the way, and I wonder if such a gov would have lasted, though of course it might have taken a different approach to bail outs and guarantee.
 


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A friend of mine is big into FG and I remember before the last election he said that he didn't know whether he wanted to win this one, as he figured if the economy did go down the tubes, they'd get the blame and be out for a generation.

I think he was right.
 

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We would have an effective opposition party and Cowen would be more popular than free credit.
Rabbitte would face internal opposition for burton's bank bailout. Taoiseach Kenny would be under pressure from Bruton for his perceived incompetance. And would be gearing up for an election since no one expected the coalition to agree the 2011 budget. The economy would probably be in the same dire state it is now.
 
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Cowen, Bertie Ahern, Harney and a few others would have been rounded up and jailed. Enda Kenny would have been Taoiseach and Pat Rabbitte could have been in Finance when the economy went into meltdown. It was only Fine Gael's incompetence that saved it from a fate worse than Fianna Fail. However as an alternative to Lenihan, both FG and Labour might have come up with a better solution. Some FF banker and developer cronies would have been bankrupted far faster and that useless f*ck Neary would have been fired and have had all his assets and pension seized to pay for the mess he facilitated. There would have been a lot of that going on, especially with politicians and some FFkers would have fled the jurisdiction. Would the FFers in government and responsible for the mess ever be held accountable in such a manner? As Enda Kenny once said: "Dream on, baby!".

Regards...jmcc
 

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Oddly... by now we might even have had a FG / FF government , as both would realise that Gilmore was too dangerous & slippery - and FG this time might well have taken the tough decision to jettison Labour

cYp
 

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It would have been like replacing jed with ward...nothing would have changed , the FG/Lab gov would have followed the exact same policies and FF would now look like the good guys....Real changes are needed and soon.....

There is another way and the sooner SF and Labour get their act together and give us a real alternative to corrupt FF and FG led government the better....
 

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Its too painful to contemplate a mish mash of left and right in government since 2007. Its even more painful than the fears I have at the thoughts of these people coming to power anytime between now and 2012. Four years of decisive government from 2008 to 2012 to deal with the crash is so much better than the guaranteed indecision of FG/Labour
 

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Its too painful to contemplate a mish mash of left and right in government since 2007. Its even more painful than the fears I have at the thoughts of these people coming to power anytime between now and 2012. Four years of decisive government from 2008 to 2012 to deal with the crash is so much better than the guaranteed indecision of FG/Labour

I assume it is the great expertise and experience that FF led governments have that would see us right ?? :shock:
 

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If FF had lost power in 2007,and Rainbow Coaltion came to power what would have happened given the economic meltdown that has happened since. We all know that FF would blame it on ineptitude and weakness of new Coalition, saying they would have handled it better, that developers and bankers work hand in glove with FF, and that they lose confidence when their party is out of power,and that FF handed over the country in pristine condition ! FF would also deny they created the mess and would deny Lehmans had anything to do with it. They would attack and waylay the new Gov every step of the way, and I wonder if such a gov would have lasted, though of course it might have taken a different approach to bail outs and guarantee.
We'd be in the same staits as we are now and FG/Lab would be looking at another long period as Opposition the following election. As FF are looking at now. Which is why Enda isn't all that interested in an election soon.
 

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Its too painful to contemplate a mish mash of left and right in government since 2007. Its even more painful than the fears I have at the thoughts of these people coming to power anytime between now and 2012. Four years of decisive government from 2008 to 2012 to deal with the crash is so much better than the guaranteed indecision of FG/Labour
fg lab gov would not be indecision at least we would have a proper majority that is actualy a workin one unlike the current shower of idiots passin bills wit reli no majority they on li hav one cos of refusin to hold da bye elections.:eek:
 

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If FF had lost power in 2007,and Rainbow Coaltion came to power what would have happened given the economic meltdown that has happened since. We all know that FF would blame it on ineptitude and weakness of new Coalition, saying they would have handled it better, that developers and bankers work hand in glove with FF, and that they lose confidence when their party is out of power,and that FF handed over the country in pristine condition ! FF would also deny they created the mess and would deny Lehmans had anything to do with it. They would attack and waylay the new Gov every step of the way, and I wonder if such a gov would have lasted, though of course it might have taken a different approach to bail outs and guarantee.

I strongly suspect that many in FF wish they had lost the election, and many in FG and Labour are relieved they didn't win it.
 

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We'd be in the same staits as we are now and FG/Lab would be looking at another long period as Opposition the following election. As FF are looking at now. Which is why Enda isn't all that interested in an election soon.

I firmly believe most people would think it was flight of the money men that caused the problem just because FF were not in power. I often heard it said that the men with money withdrew when their favourite party were ( temporarily) out of power. It is a sort of FF legend that exists especially in rural Ireland. And Biffo in opposition would be champing at the bit- this master of his brief and economic genius.
 

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Oddly... by now we might even have had a FG / FF government , as both would realise that Gilmore was too dangerous & slippery - and FG this time might well have taken the tough decision to jettison Labour
:roll: But of course if that government had taken office, Gilmore wouldn't have become leader of the Labour Party. And we wouldn't have an FG/FF government.
 

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I'm in two minds about this.

Firstly I'm thrilled to see FF having to face the consequences of years of mis-management, but on the other hand I'm convinced that much of their response to the crisis has been influenced by money they have received from various interest groups and ultimately the taxpayer will be footing the bill for many years to come.

Unfortunately, neither FG or Labour fill me with any confidence that they would have handled the crisis any better.
 

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I'm in two minds about this.


Unfortunately, neither FG or Labour fill me with any confidence that they would have handled the crisis any better.

You may be quite correct as the damage was already done by then. But is it good not to see those who caused it having to wallow in their own mess rather than avoid the blame and pass the buck ?
 

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fg lab gov would not be indecision at least we would have a proper majority that is actualy a workin one unlike the current shower of idiots passin bills wit reli no majority they on li hav one cos of refusin to hold da bye elections.:eek:
I admire anyone who attempts to overcome a disability but your dyslexia is a pain to have to suffer with you. Could you use a spell check in future?

On the substantive issue, FG and Labour would be in meltdown at this stage. FF would be strutting the country with an unbearable 'I told you so' cockiness. The banks would have been nationalised by Labour and then NAMA-ised by FG when they realised that nationalising them didn't work. There would have been no more accountability than now. PS workers like Neary would have been given exactly what they were given. Labour would never blame a PS worker when it had FF as a scapegoat. The PS would not have had a pay cut or a moratorium. Instead we would have had much higher tax rises than we do, into the 60s. FG would be so terrified to face the country that Labour would effectively be running the country. The PDs would have survived or reformed in the face of the crisis, saying that FG and Labour undid all their good work. FG young guns like Lucinda and Varadkar would have jumped ship to the PDs. Cowen would be seen like a sage. FG would be out of power for 20years.
 

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On the substantive issue, FG and Labour would be in meltdown at this stage. FF would be strutting the country with an unbearable 'I told you so' cockiness. Cowen would be seen like a sage. FG would be out of power for 20years.

I think that is the kernel of it as I also said. I always used hear the "men with the money" went elsewhere when FF were (not often) out of power. Paddy Burke, father of Rambo used say that every time there was a Coalition there was not the the price of a bag of cement when they left, God help us ( that was before FF dropped no coalition dogma). And Cowen and and co would lay the blame at door of new government-no Lehmans or regulators or banks would be to blame. I also think Richard Bruton or a Labour minister for Finance would be classed more of an Ernest Blythe than a saint Brian Lenihan.
 

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A friend of mine is big into FG and I remember before the last election he said that he didn't know whether he wanted to win this one, as he figured if the economy did go down the tubes, they'd get the blame and be out for a generation.

I think he was right.
I said at the time - IF FG did get into government to clean up FF's mess - Fine Gael would be the ones who caused all teh trouble in the eyes of the people.

http://www.politics.ie/fine-gael/17572-i-am-happy-fianna-fail-government.html
 


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