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"What if he were Father Polanski...?"

Seán Mac Stiofán

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Excellent article.

If Polanski were a 76 year old Catholic priest, I don't think the great and the good of the film and entertainment industry from either side of the Atlantic would excuse his drugging and rape of a 13 year old girl against her will.

Roman Polanski: What if He Were 'Father Polanski'? -- Politics Daily

"I think it's absolutely ridiculous," Bill Flicker, a film editor who once worked with Polanski in France, tells the Washington Post. "It's stupid and a waste of resources. I don't understand why they are doing it."

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Comparisons are by their nature invidious. But what if Roman Polanksi were wearing a Roman collar? Would "Monsignor Polanksi" receive the same considerations? As Father Thomas Reese, a Jesuit, writes at the Post's "On Faith" site, "Imagine if the Knights of Columbus decided to give an award to a pedophile priest who had fled the country to avoid prison. The outcry would be universal." And rightly so, as Reese says. But Polanski gets an Oscar in absentia in 2003 and earns sympathy because he can't receive it in person.
 


Anorakphobia

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Excellent article.

If Polanski were a 76 year old Catholic priest, I don't think the great and the good of the film and entertainment industry from either side of the Atlantic would excuse his drugging and rape of a 13 year old girl against her will.

Roman Polanski: What if He Were 'Father Polanski'? -- Politics Daily
Very good point but for centuries, people in the Arts who are perceived to be creative or a bit cutting edge are undoubtedly allowed far more leeway in their behaviour.
Misdemeanours (drunkeness, drugs, starting fights, being obnoxious and vulgur) are laughed off as being part of their "character".
In turn, dangerous and even criminal acts are also frequently looked at differently to ordinardy citizens.

In summary, as far as the luvvies are concerned Roman is a creative but tortured soul who deserves our sympathy.
Father Joe is a sick paedo (allegedly!) who should be castrated without trial.
 

The Caped Cod

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It baffles the mind how people are supporting Polanski. He's a great director, fine. He's won Oscars, fine. He raped a child,... not fine.
So there irregularities with the trail. Let him go back to the US and have another fair trial.

I could understand people saying, 'Such a shame that such an imminant artist could do such a thing' but people are calling his arrest a travesty of justice. Sick and depraved. I do not object to priest being hauled over hot coals for t and I think that Polanski deserves deserves the same.
 

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If it had been Father Polanski, then it would not have been a young girl.
 

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Many 'Father Polanskis' have committed the offence , and their 'industry' has not only minimised and condoned the offending , it has actively protected the perpetrators and impeded the investigations.

Most sickening of all , it has promoted many of the criminals up the management ladder .
 

Stendec

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if he was fr polinsky he could come here an the goverment would pay compensation to the girl an hed be livin of the best in a home with ignorant gob********************es askin him for his blessin!!!
 

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The polish government has been very hypocritical on this.

Polanski was born in Poland.

The polish minister Sikorski and President Kachynski appealed to America for clemency for Polanski.

Yet at the same time the Poles want compulsory chemical castration for pedophiles.


Some pedophiles are more equal than others it would seem!


How can they square their hypocrisy in this case?
 

The OD

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Anyone who supports Polanski should be ashamed of themselves, he has dodged justice for too long. I see no difference between him and anyone else who rapes children.

Remember, this case came before the courts - was there other cases that didnt? The poor are the usual hunting ground for people like Polanski, how many poor families did this 'creative genius' pay off for a chance to slate himself?

Let him rot until death I say.

As for the media, it has little in the way of common human decency or morality so no surprise about the reaction.
 

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Why is everyone so obsessed with talking about paedophilia these days? It almost seems like a persons "goodness" suddenly became directly proportional to their hatred for paedophilia.

But anyway, has anyone seen Chinatown? It is an indescribably magnificent film. One of those rare, rare gems that actually deserves the hype.
 

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Why is everyone so obsessed with talking about paedophilia these days? It almost seems like a persons "goodness" suddenly became directly proportional to their hatred for paedophilia.

But anyway, has anyone seen Chinatown? It is an indescribably magnificent film. One of those rare, rare gems that actually deserves the hype.
By a strange co-incidence, that's the point being made in the USA by the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights regarding Polanski's paedophilia and his artistic endeavors. Catholic League President Bill Donohue has commented on the rush to defend Roman Polanski and compared it to the attitude of “liberals” to priests accused of child abuse.

The Catholic League has long suspected that, in many quarters, the outrage over priestly sexual abuse has had more to do with the status of the accused than the crime itself. Now the evidence is indisputable: a child can be drugged, penetrated and sodomized—and the guilty can cut and run—and still maintain hero status. Provided he is a celebrity.

Actress Debra Winger showed up at the Zurich Film Festival “to honor Roman Polanski as a great artist, but under these sudden and arcane circumstances, we can only think of him today as a human being.” Either that or as a child rapist. She was not alone: the Zurich Film Festival jury proudly displayed red badges reading “Free Polanski.” It was also nice to know that Woody Allen, a man who speaks from experience, came to Polanski’s defense.

Whoopi Goldberg showed off her usual brilliance when she declared that Polanski’s crime “wasn’t rape-rape.” No, only priests are guilty of real rape. Noted photographer Otto Weisser agrees: “He made a little mistake 32 years ago.” That’s right—it’s only a big mistake when priests do it. Richard Cohen of the Washington Post also notes that it’s been “over 30 years” since Polanski molested the girl. Similarly, movie critic Tom O’Neil exclaims that it is “mind-boggling why they’re still pursuing this.” Yet there is no statute of limitations afforded priests—men long dead have been accused of crimes extending back to the 1920s.

Harvey Weinstein is so noble: “We’re calling on every film-maker we can to help fix this terrible situation.” The terrible situation, of course, isn’t what Polanski got away with—it’s his pursuit by the authorities. “To put him on trial or keep him in jail does not serve society in general or his victim in particular,” says journalist Anne Applebaum. She, and others, would carry more weight if the “he” included priests.

No wonder so many Americans look upon the celebrity worshippers with utter disdain. Double that for Catholics.
 

Eorna

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There is no doubt that their is an element of truth in the op. It was however the sheer abuse of trust, going against everything that their faith professes, and then the vast no's of abusers that were concealed by their superiors by that leaves many people with a deep rage against the church.
 

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The polish government has been very hypocritical on this.

Polanski was born in Poland.

The polish minister Sikorski and President Kachynski appealed to America for clemency for Polanski.

Yet at the same time the Poles want compulsory chemical castration for pedophiles.


Some pedophiles are more equal than others it would seem!


How can they square their hypocrisy in this case?
Polanski was born in Paris, not in Poland. His father were Polish Jew. He spent his childhood in Poland and Polish family saved him from death during German occupation of Poland in World War II. They hid him from German nazi's for years. But as I found he is not grateful to Polish people. He told bed things about the people who saved him and about the whole Polish nation. This revealed what a kind of man he is - very selfish.

I agree that Polish government - and especially minister Sikorski -have been very hypocritical on this. But I don't know that president Kaczynski appealed to America for Polanski. I think he has different opinion than minister Sikorski and Polish government.
Some Polish film artists talked in favour for Polanski. But it is not opinion of Polish people! Average Polish man think that Polanski has to be taken to America - to stand in front of a court and be judged. As every person who made crime. Oscar is not permission to be exempted from punishment.
 

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A better anology would be if it had been an elderly German who raped a 13 year old Jewish girl during WW2.
Which politician or newspaper would come to his aid?
 

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Kilbarry

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There is no doubt that their is an element of truth in the op. It was however the sheer abuse of trust, going against everything that their faith professes, and then the vast no's of abusers that were concealed by their superiors by that leaves many people with a deep rage against the church.
True to an extent but only to a small extent. If people were outraged by crimes commited by clergy due to the crime "going against everything that their faith professes", you would expect that they would be outraged by FALSE allegations against clergy. No such thing.

Remember the headlines when Nora Wall (formerly Sister Dominic of the Sisters of Mercy) was convicted of raping a child in 1999? Vile Nun, Pervert Nun. I Was Raped By Anti-Christ.

OTOH after the case against her collapsed do you recall the headlines about her two false accusers? There were none. They were allowed off the hook to fade into obscurity.

Same a couple of years ago when a guy got 4 years in jail for falsely accusing a priest. When he gets out of jail you won't even read about in the papers. (Maybe he's out already!).

These people were NOT vilified because they did what the media wanted them to do i.e. demonise the Church. They just didn't do it efficiently. It is clear that a GENUINE sense of outrage cannot explain this phenomenon. It is media sponsored hysteria.

One reason why Polanski got off the hook is that the media are so focused on their hatred of the Catholic Church, that they have precious little energy to spare for genuine outrage about child abuse. (Also Polanski is a "liberal" celebrity and regarded by the media as one of their own.)
 

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It baffles the mind how people are supporting Polanski. He's a great director, fine. He's won Oscars, fine. He raped a child,... not fine.
So there irregularities with the trail. Let him go back to the US and have another fair trial.

I could understand people saying, 'Such a shame that such an imminant artist could do such a thing' but people are calling his arrest a travesty of justice. Sick and depraved. I do not object to priest being hauled over hot coals for t and I think that Polanski deserves deserves the same.
My thoughts exactly.
 

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Polanski was born in Paris, not in Poland. His father were Polish Jew. He spent his childhood in Poland and Polish family saved him from death during German occupation of Poland in World War II. They hid him from German nazi's for years. But as I found he is not grateful to Polish people. He told bed things about the people who saved him and about the whole Polish nation. This revealed what a kind of man he is - very selfish.

I agree that Polish government - and especially minister Sikorski -have been very hypocritical on this. But I don't know that president Kaczynski appealed to America for Polanski. I think he has different opinion than minister Sikorski and Polish government.
Some Polish film artists talked in favour for Polanski. But it is not opinion of Polish people! Average Polish man think that Polanski has to be taken to America - to stand in front of a court and be judged. As every person who made crime. Oscar is not permission to be exempted from punishment.

Thank you for clarifying some points.

My mistake that Polanski was born in Poland.

It certainly seems there is an international campaign to help Polanski however.

Besides Sikorski, the french minister Kouchner has also spoken in favor of clemency.

In America, Whoopi Goldberg even said he was not guilty of "rape" rape, even though he drugged and sodomised the 13 year old girl.

In hollywood there is huge support for Polanski also

Roman Polanski arrest: Hollywood unites in his defence | Film | guardian.co.uk
 

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The French Minister of Culture Frederic Mitterrand, who was the first to come out in Polanski's defence calling his arrest 'appaling' and sayin the US had showed it's 'true face' has not helped himself or Polanski it would seem. Numerous people in France who share the sense of disgust with Polanski and his apologists were quick to point out that Frederic Mitterran, in his own biography, admitted regularily going to Bangkok to have sex with young boys for money.
 

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Thank you for clarifying some points.

My mistake that Polanski was born in Poland.

It certainly seems there is an international campaign to help Polanski however.

Besides Sikorski, the french minister Kouchner has also spoken in favor of clemency.

In America, Whoopi Goldberg even said he was not guilty of "rape" rape, even though he drugged and sodomised the 13 year old girl.

In hollywood there is huge support for Polanski also

Roman Polanski arrest: Hollywood unites in his defence | Film | guardian.co.uk
The same in Poland. So called "elites" or establishment think they are better kind of man. Ordinary man have to be punished even for very little crime but they are like "Uebermensch" - they could do what they want even if this is a crime and damaged other people. This is the case of Sikorski too. But now Polish "elites" are rather quiet about Polanski because average people are against Polanski's clemency.
 

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I myself have been a vocal critic of the catholic churches roll in defending and protecting child abusers. Shouldn't we hold these high profile defenders of Polanski to same standard of revile as the church?
 


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