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What if they leave us for monkeys !? :-O

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Women turned on by monkey sex - do we need to rethink social assumptions?

A lot of the current legal, rights based social assumptions have men & women as the same

Our cultural assumptions largely have women as less interested in sex than men

It seems reality is quite different, in the below referenced experiment the researchers showed to:

  • lesbians
  • straight women,
  • straight men
  • gay men
these films:

  • bonobo pornography (see pic below)
  • straight porn
  • gay porn
  • lesbian porn
  • a chiselled man walking naked on a beach
  • and a well-toned woman doing callisthenics in the nude
The women got aroused by everything ... though when asked about it they downplayed it !

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Any expectation that the footage of animal sex would speak to something primitive in the men seemed mistaken; neither straight nor gay men were stirred by watching the bonobos. And for the male participants, the subjective ratings on the keypad matched the readings of the plethysmograph. The men’s minds and genitals were in agreement.
All was different with the women. No matter what their self-proclaimed sexual orientation, the women showed, on the whole, strong and swift genital arousal when the screen offered men with men, women with women, and women with men. They responded objectively much more to the exercising woman than to the strolling man, and their blood flow rose quickly and markedly as they watched the apes, though to a lesser degree than during all the human scenes, except the footage of the ambling, strapping man. And with the women, especially the straight women, mind and genitals seemed scarcely to belong to the same person. During shots of lesbian coupling, heterosexual women claimed less excitement than their vaginas indicated; watching gay men, they reported a great deal less; and viewing heterosexual intercourse, they reported much more



Is it time for a big re-think of the gender divide ?

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Okay, I read the article. It simply states that the female body automatically activates in order to protect itself - thus in watching scenes that hint at sexual activity (of whatever type) the genitalia are made ready for the same. It is NOT an indicator of sexual desire. It is observed even in cases of rape. It is not evidence that women enjoy rape, or watching monkey-sex, or whatever. It just means that their physiological reaction is separate from their mental reaction, unlike in men.
 

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Okay, I read the article. It simply states that the female body automatically activates in order to protect itself - thus in watching scenes that hint at sexual activity (of whatever type) the genitalia are made ready for the same. It is NOT an indicator of sexual desire. It is observed even in cases of rape. It is not evidence that women enjoy rape, or watching monkey-sex, or whatever. It just means that their physiological reaction is separate from their mental reaction, unlike in men.
She only says that the lubrication/arousal may be a protection mechanism :

Genital lubrication, she writes in her forthcoming paper in Archives of Sexual Behavior, is necessary “to reduce discomfort, and the possibility of injury, during vaginal penetration… Ancestral women who did not show an automatic vaginal response to sexual cues may have been more likely to experience injuries during unwanted vaginal penetration that resulted in illness, infertility or even death, and thus would be less likely to have passed on this trait to their offspring”.
It is far from clear that this is the reason women are aroused by gay sex or monkey sex.

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She only says that the lubrication/arousal may be a protection mechanism :



It is far from clear that this is the reason women are aroused by gay sex or monkey sex.

cYp

There is physical arousal, but not mental arousal, the two seem to be separate mechanisms. It seems to suggest that sexual activity per se prompts physical changes but doesn't mean they are 'turned on' mentally.
 

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There is physical arousal, but not mental arousal, the two seem to be separate mechanisms. It seems to suggest that sexual activity per se prompts physical changes but doesn't mean they are 'turned on' mentally.
Indeed - being aroused "down there" doesn't imply consent or mental arousal ... but:

Well in the rest of the article it speaks of the fluidity/reversibility of female sexuality straight-->lesbian-->straight. Whereas men are more fixed in their sexuality.

And some of the supposition here is that women are exercising more conscious choice over their sexual preferences ... or that their preferences are more situational.

cYp
 

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A lot of the current legal, rights based social assumptions have men & women as the same

Our cultural assumptions largely have women as less interested in sex than men

It seems reality is quite different, in the below referenced experiment the researchers showed to:

  • lesbians
  • straight women,
  • straight men
  • gay men
these films:

  • bonobo pornography (see pic below)
  • straight porn
  • gay porn
  • lesbian porn
  • a chiselled man walking naked on a beach
  • and a well-toned woman doing callisthenics in the nude
The women got aroused by everything ... though when asked about it they downplayed it !




Is it time for a big re-think of the gender divide ?

cYp

There is a simple explanation: Women are more inclined to lie than men.
 

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Okay, I read the article. It simply states that the female body automatically activates in order to protect itself - thus in watching scenes that hint at sexual activity (of whatever type) the genitalia are made ready for the same. It is NOT an indicator of sexual desire. It is observed even in cases of rape. It is not evidence that women enjoy rape, or watching monkey-sex, or whatever. It just means that their physiological reaction is separate from their mental reaction, unlike in men.
100% troof!
 

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Men aren't needed after all

There is a simple explanation: Women are more inclined to lie than men.
;)

Though seriously - I do think this study means we should radically re-assess our gender stereotypes ... seems like heterosexual men are really heterosexual men ... whereas "heterosexual" women might be able to make do with a monkey !


cYp
 

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;)

Though seriously - I do think this study means we should radically re-assess our gender stereotypes ... seems like heterosexual men are really heterosexual men ... whereas "heterosexual" women might be able to make do with a monkey !


cYp
Oh oh oh, its. so. hard. to resist the obvious joke :D

Ye know it was an interesting post, an interesting story - though entirely meaningless as anyone who reads the bad science column in the guardian knows that populist reporting of science is very bad and often inaccurately presents the findings.

I have to say that if p.ie is indicative of anything, then men are much more and a bit weirdly (in my view), interested in women's sexuality than the other way round. Shame how that interest ends up in so much control world wide. Sigh.
 

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o god cyp. are ye that insecure about girls ¿ at least the monkey is making eye contact :)
I think that's why the researcher picked bonobo's as they are one of the few, if only species other than humans whoo do "missionary style" and thus eye contact can be achieved

A girl wouldn't leave a guy for a monkey - due to the normatively fashioned opprobrium - I'm joking a little regards the title... but do think that we need to re-think female sexuality in light of the findings ... and this has wide socio-political implications.

cYp
 

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Well in the rest of the article it speaks of the fluidity/reversibility of female sexuality straight-->lesbian-->straight. Whereas men are more fixed in their sexuality.
In our society, yes, but in others male-male sex is far more acceptable - pretty much niversal in Ancient Greece, the Inca Empire, etc.

You could have spared us the monkey porn.
Apes, not monkeys! They get very offended when you call them that!
 

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And there was me thinking that, she knew it was me behind the Gorilla suit............
 

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rethink female sexuality ? is there a design process?? l go for voice and manly tool ability (round the cave)
There's a lot of normative assumptions around sexuality ... these should be examined closely in the context of the biologically possible

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;)

Though seriously - I do think this study means we should radically re-assess our gender stereotypes ... seems like heterosexual men are really heterosexual men ... whereas "heterosexual" women might be able to make do with a monkey !


cYp
Wasn't there a story doing the rounds about 2 weeks ago in America where a chimpanzee mauled a female friend of his female owner, supposedly fearing the friend was "moving in on his mate"

Seemingly the story said that the owner shared baths and her bed with the monkey (Chimps are monkeys yeah ?), and it alluded to perhaps the relationship being more "intimate" than just good friends...

Was a very weird story to be honest
 


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