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What is Fine Gael's weakest link?


Question R24U

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There are plenty of anti-Enda threads already, this discusses Fine Gael's Weak links rather than the personality of the leader.

FG last won a general election in 1982, has been in power for less time than the pds and labour in my lifetime and appears to bottle it in the closing days of a successful campaign (this time enda v frank F, enda v garret, last time the leaders debate and dream on baby, noonan's bus tour, etc). So what is it that holds them back?

1. Their colourful history? Hardly except to anoraks.
2. Their dependence on Labour - yes but it is also a strength.
3. Their front bench - a few nutjobs but generally there is strength in depth.
4. Their organisiation - has probably never been stronger or had higher morale. Frank F would be recognised as a key asset here.
5. Their tendency to believe their own hype/arrogance - a regular accusation but is it backed up.
6. Their 330 odd councillors, 52 TDs? I suspect that the are of a higher quality than FF'S but is that bar sufficient?
7. The Press.a few friends there but not really much use to the party.
8.its policies - their cut proposals are headlines (per richard bruton on VB) rather than details, they have no policies of substance on how four billion cuts will be achieved (neither do the government). Are they keeping them quiet because of FF attacks, they disagree the labour or they do not exist?
 

Question R24U

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a great many of them start by you, you troll!



again this is your regular accusation, not something that is in the public at large.
Back that up.
But if you want to discuss enda we can. Here is the short version.
Teambuilder, party back from extinction, every election improvement, loved by the faithful, feared by FF(hence all the threads). Charisma free schoolteacher, not appointed to any position bar tourism minister, garret has a problem with him, he is consistetly less popular than his party.

NOW BACK TO DISCUSSING FINE GAEL.
 

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To be brutally honest their only real weakness, the one thing that has bedevilled them for generations, is unfortunately this: the mentality of the electorate.

Over the last 5 decades or so cute-hoorism, sly sneaky corruption, knifing the other fella in the back, clambering up the greasy pole then kicking it away so nobody else can clamber up after you, strokes and scams, pulling the fast one, making the quick buck, hard-necked bluster as a viable alternative for actually knowing what the f*** you are talking about - these have all been seen as desirable qualities in wider Irish culture & society and, indeed, quintessentially Irish qualities to have.

Boring old by-the-book rules and competence and the rule of law and honesty and ethics and thinking things through, on the other hand, have been viewed with suspicion as un-natural and foreign traits by the majority of the electorate.

I think things are slowly changing, I think the bulk of the younger generations who have spent their working lives working for foreign multinationals and have been exposed to more ethical continental & asian business practices, who have travelled the world and come back with far-fetched tales of how things in other countries actually work, have no time for the greasy chancer cute-hoor types any more.

It may take another generation or two though to eradicate gombeen culture.
 

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Bar the first two, the rest are quality threads and been read by many posters, they just 10,000 hits and have hundreds of replies. You appear to want to discuss me. Or discuss Enda. But I suggest you should discuss thread topic: what is the weakest link of Ireland's largest local political party?
No I don't. I want you stop starting ridiculous troll threads suggesting that FG is weak, when it has actually been doing quite well. It is clear that your intention is not to start a general discussion but to try to create the impression that FG is weak and in difficulty.
 

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No I don't. I want you stop starting ridiculous troll threads suggesting that FG is weak, when it has actually been doing quite well. It is clear that your intention is not to start a general discussion but to try to create the impression that FG is weak and in difficulty.
I disagree with you on that. I have started many threads (including the one on my signature) and quite few are on Fine Gael - that is likely to increase since it is more probable they will form the next government (it is not weak or in difficulty but nor is it perfect).

Now does anymone, particularly real members, have anything to add to this general discussion on fg?.
 

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.FG need to start formulating a meaningful programme foe reform of politics/governemnt; failure to start on that will be one of their weak links coming up to an election.
 

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Economic credibility is the key to winning the next election. Nothing else matters. That's why FF are repeating their mantra about "taking tough decision" day in day out. They are hoping an upturn by 2012 will make them look like they know what they were doing all along.

FG must guard their own economic credibility like treasure. Nothing short-term or madcap should be allowed pass their lips. Nor should they pretend they have easy solutions and it would do them so harm at all to confront Labour from time to time.
 

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Now does anymone, particularly real members, have anything to add to this general discussion on fg?.
Are you suggesting I'm not a real member?

I have some suggestions for further threads for you, all in your style;

Fine Gael fail to get elected to 543 Local Election seats

543 local election seats all over the country are not filled by Fine Gael public reps. This represents almost 62% of all County and City Council seats where FG has failed to have single representative. Hard questions need to be asked why FG have failed so spectacularly.

Kenny Loses Confidence Motion

The loss of the FG No Confidence Motion yesterday clearly shows that the majority of Dail members have no faith in Enda Kenny to become Taoiseach. If Kenny's lack of charisma has failed to convince a majority of the 165 TD, arguably the people who know him best, that he is the man to lead the country, how can he possibly convince the rest of the country to trust him? Is it just a matter of days until Kenny is ousted from the Leadership of Fine Gael?

Mitchell Fails to Bring in a Running Mate in Dublin, Time for Kenny to Leave?

Gay Mitchell in spite of topping the poll in the Dublin Euro elections failed to get a runnning mate elected to the European parliament. Instead the third seat in Dublin was filled by Joe Higgins from the fringe Socialist Party. That FG were bested by one of the smallest parties in the state must surely raise question about FG tactics. Who is at fault? Is it the uncharasmatic Kenny? The lack of alternative parties? Hostility from the media...
and I almost forgot;

George Lee rejected by Thousands in Dublin South!

Over 38,000 people voting in the Dublin South By-election rejected FG's candidate George Lee by voting number 1 for other candidates. In a remarkably weak field what does it says about FG's Golden Boy Lee and the uncharismatic FG Leader Enda Kenny that so many people rejected the former RTE Economics Editor?
Question R24U; desperately looking for clouds to go with all of Fine Gael's silver linings!
 
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Question R24U

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Are you suggesting I'm not a real member?

I have some suggestions for further threads for you, all in your style;



and I almost forgot;



Question R24U; desperately looking for clouds to go with all of Fine Gael's silver linings!
Hillarious stuff. Now answer the thread question? (or move along).
Now tells me:
1) why has FG not won an election since 1982?
2) why could a FG member not be able to recite what FG's recovery plan is? (Any FF plodder will tell to their plan is 1) get the banks lending money 2) re-balance the government's finances 3) save jobs 4) create new jobs (particulary Green ones) 17 words).
3) why has FG spent less time in governement than the Labour Party (or in the last 25 years - the PDs)?
 

myk

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Hillarious stuff. Now answer the thread question? (or move along).
Now tells me:
1) why has FG not won an election since 1982?
2) why could a FG member not be able to recite what FG's recovery plan is? (Any FF plodder will tell to their plan is 1) get the banks lending money 2) re-balance the government's finances 3) save jobs 4) create new jobs (particulary Green ones) 17 words).
3) why has FG spent less time in governement than the Labour Party (or in the last 25 years - the PDs)?

Thanks for proving my point, troll.
 

louis bernard

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I think their weakest link will be if the electorate adopt the attitude “same circus, different clowns” .
 

Question R24U

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Thanks for proving my point, troll.
a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion
Who started the thread? and who has tried to de-rail it?

Please answer the thread question: what is FG's weakest link, or do not post.
 

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There weakest link is the fact that they have admitted that they are willing to do business with SF if the need araises....and sacking there director of elections isn't going to get that one to go away in a hurry.....plus kenny....i personally wouldn't let him walk my dog
 

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I think their weakest link will be if the electorate adopt the attitude “same circus, different clowns” .
Or tweedle dumbe and sweedle dumber.......
 

Question R24U

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Diego man posted:
To what extent do you think Enda Kenny is an asset or liability as leader of the Fine Gael party?

Would you prefer to see another member of the party as leader, and if so, who?

What is it about Enda that you like/dislike?

Do you think Enda will ever be Taoiseach, or will he 1) Be ousted from Leadership before a GE or 2) Get shafted by Labour going into coalition with FF?

Appreciate everyone staying on topic, i know how discussions on this site tend to run off on a tangent or descend into personal ************************* fights. Cheers.
KingKane closed.
 

geraghd

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I disagree with you on that. I have started many threads (including the one on my signature) and quite few are on Fine Gael - that is likely to increase since it is more probable they will form the next government (it is not weak or in difficulty but nor is it perfect).

Now does anymone, particularly real members, have anything to add to this general discussion on fg?.
I agree with Myk.
 
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