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What is minister Harris really up to re the Waterford spat with minister Halligan?

The Field Marshal

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Direct clash here of expectations and promises.

Waterford TD argues the catchment area is 500,000 requiring second laboratory in Waterford.
Some doctors at the front support this view.
Halligan claims the govt , of which Harris is now part, made promises to this effect during the negotiations on the coalition.

IINM TD and minister Harris claims the catchment area is only 200,000 and there is no need for this new laboratory.
Some professor has written a report supporting Harris.

There is a direct conflict of evidence here and the people of Waterford are at boiling point.

It is clearly political because the northern area of the 500,000 catchment area eats into Harris,s political territory and one wonders exactly what is going on when Harris states that clinicians must make decisions on health.

What clinicians is he talking about because all the clinicians in Wateford are screaming for this second laboratory yet Harris refuses to budge?

What do other posts think.?

Halligan threatening to leave government over Waterford hospital resources

Halligan will not get cardiac services he wants, says Kenny
 
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Brera

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What's the issue ? Halligan got an agreement that there would be an independent review. He got it and they don't support his view so he threatens to throw the toys out of the pram.

He has been sold a pup by people who believe that they need a second lab in Waterford which now won't happen. The notion of the cachement area being 500,000 is a load of rubbish. Parts of what they are including would be near enough to Dublin.

The issues at Waterford hospital are more complex than a second lab but it has been easier for politicians to pop on the populist band wagon over the issue of a second lab.

If Halligan hadn't been mouthing off lately saying that he was only staying for the last few weeks so he would deliver the second lab he could be a stronger position.

A package of increased staff and extra hours at the current lab plus extra funding for the hospital in general is a good package but the question is whether Halligan will accept it or not.

Why'll his intentions may be good. He has been played by doctors and co who want everything in Waterford.

Nice lad but doesn't seem to have made the move from County Councillor to being a member of Government.
 

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halligan is a tiresome populist windbag of the highest order , the only reason i suspect he isnt in SF ( his politics are identical ) is they are far too smart to allow a clown like halligan near them
 
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What's the issue ? Halligan got an agreement that there would be an independent review. He got it and they don't support his view so he threatens to throw the toys out of the pram.

He has been sold a pup by people who believe that they need a second lab in Waterford which now won't happen. The notion of the cachement area being 500,000 is a load of rubbish. Parts of what they are including would be near enough to Dublin.

The issues at Waterford hospital are more complex than a second lab but it has been easier for politicians to pop on the populist band wagon over the issue of a second lab.

If Halligan hadn't been mouthing off lately saying that he was only staying for the last few weeks so he would deliver the second lab he could be a stronger position.

A package of increased staff and extra hours at the current lab plus extra funding for the hospital in general is a good package but the question is whether Halligan will accept it or not.

Why'll his intentions may be good. He has been played by doctors and co who want everything in Waterford.

Nice lad but doesn't seem to have made the move from County Councillor to being a member of Government.
The HSE say the catchment area is in excess of 400,000. If Prof. Herrity was given a figure of 200,000, Harris is in big trouble.

Radiology Department - Ireland's Health Service
 

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I have a life.
young pup v old pup.....
 

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I have a life.
halligan is a tiresome populist windbag of the highest order , the only reason i suspect he isnt in SF ( his politics are identical ) is they are far too smart to allow a clown like halligan near them
Thankfully there are no windbag clowns in any of the mainstream parties....phew what.
 

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What area does this hospital cover?

here's the populations of several counties in the region:

Waterford - 114,000
Carlow - 59,000
Wexford - 145,500
Kilkenny - 100,000

That's under 420,000 people in total, but it doesn't include any part of Tipperary.
 
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What area does this hospital cover?

here's the populations of several counties in the region:

Waterford - 114,000
Carlow - 59,000
Wexford - 145,500
Kilkenny - 100,000

That's under 420,000 people in total, but it doesn't include any part of Tipperary.
That's more in line with what is on the HSE webite than the 200,000 figure being quoted:

"What do we do?
The Department of Radiology at University Hospital Waterford provides a General Diagnostic Imaging Service for the Waterford catchment area and a specialised regional Radiology service for the South Eastern population of over 400,000. The speciality services include Regional Trauma, MRI, Mammography, Radio Isotope Imaging, Ultrasound, CT Cardiac Catheterisation and Interventional Radiology. The Department of Radiology has succeeded in delivering a highly efficient and effective service both within the hospital and for primary and community services. The radiology department staff complement includes Consultant Radiologists, Radiology Registrars, Radiography Services Managers, Clinical Specialist Radiographers, Senior Radiographers, Basic Grade Radiographers, Nurses, Darkroom Technician and Care Attendants."
 

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What area does this hospital cover?

here's the populations of several counties in the region:

Waterford - 114,000
Carlow - 59,000
Wexford - 145,500
Kilkenny - 100,000

That's under 420,000 people in total, but it doesn't include any part of Tipperary.
I would expect someone from Carlow to go to a Dublin hospital rather than Waterford, although with the M9 available, it would be quicker to get to Waterford.
 

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Halligan claims Harris made promises to this effect during the negotiations on the coalition.
He said Noonan and Coveney made promises, Harris was still junior at that time.
 

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He said Noonan and Coveney made promises, Harris was still junior at that time.

Halligan said that in government-formation talks Coveney told him "the review was only a formality" and Waterford would get a second cath lab whether he, Halligan, signed up for government or not.

He says the review was flawed, and he wants another one.

Tellingly he also said he wasn't sure if he ever really wanted to be part of a government, it just transpired
 

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Tellingly he also said he wasn't sure if he ever really wanted to be part of a government, it just transpired
Jesus. He really is out of his depth. I'd say he can't wait to get back to backbench populist roaring.
 

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Typical of the windbag glorified county councillor elected last time out. People deserve what they voted for
 

irish_bob

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What area does this hospital cover?

here's the populations of several counties in the region:

Waterford - 114,000
Carlow - 59,000
Wexford - 145,500
Kilkenny - 100,000

That's under 420,000 people in total, but it doesn't include any part of Tipperary.
limerick and cork would cater for more of tipperary than waterford
 

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He knows his re-election will depend on the outcome - and that election could come soon the way things are going
 

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First things first. The report was not written by just ''some professor'' as Field Marshal has contemptuously described him. Dr Herrity is a respected and experienced consultant cardiologist with the NHS. The findings are his alone, but it was written after consultation with every respectable stakeholder in the country in the field of cardiology services and the ambulance services. And it was Halligan himself who demanded that an NHS reviewer be appointed because he didn't trust Irish consultants to tell him what he wanted to hear.

Halligan was promised nothing by Harris or anyone else. The Programme for Government explicitly states that if the review found in favour of a second cath lab, Waterford would get one. Instead it found what was known all along but never accepted by Halligan - that the population base and demand for cardiology services in the south east simply doesn't justify allocating precious health service resources to a second cath lab. It's not just about money either. For a cardiologist to practice safely and keep their skills, they have to be seeing a certain amount of patients on a regular basis. The Herrity report proved that the this won't happen in the south east because the population base won't support it. And the figures are there in black and white in the census results to prove it.

This is a test case for local yokel populist politics versus the national interest. Local yokel politics are partly to blame for the mess the health service is in, and the Government is to be commended for standing firm on this. Let's hope it sets a precedent.
 

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