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What is wrong with the Irish mindset?


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I am trying to understand the Irish mindset after further announcement today of job losses and Nama approval.

If things werent bad enough the EU today just gave permission for the Irish government to land further debt on every man woman and child living in Ireland. At the same time we learn of further companies entering administration and Post Bank pulling out of Ireland.

Add all this to the continued poor economic data and outlook for this country and rolling strikes next week by the public service one wonders why the Irish people continue to put up with the Shinanigans of the Irish government.

Every Irish citizen from middle income to welfare dependent have been hit hard by the policies of this government, and yet the very highest paid people of this country continue to enjoy the good times.

Why are Irish people putting up with this? Why havent the public striked or called demonstrations? Why havent the people on welfare come togeather and created a pressure group? So many why`s and yet the people continue to suffer and the government just appeat to get away with it.

Its very ironic that a person who is in court for debts that cannot be paid because of the economic situation in Ireland will ultimately have their case decided by a judge who continues to earn over €100,000 per year!

What is so wrong with Irish people that we continue to put up with this and yet we see demonstrations against head shops and in some cases extreme acts of violence taken against them! I wonder about peoples priorites.

How much further damage will FF be allowed to do before people start to stop them?
 

Schuhart

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Every Irish citizen from middle income to welfare dependent have been hit hard by the policies of this government, and yet the very highest paid people of this country continue to enjoy the good times.

Why are Irish people putting up with this?
I'll just put forward my thought, and faithfully promise to withdraw as I'm really interested in what others say.

My feeling is that there is no coherent social group around which opposition could organise. Pretty much every significant force is co-opted into the power structure. Change has no obvious leader, and would require every power group to be unseated.

Unions, professionals, politicians, business. Put simply, the leadership in all those sectors is exposed to some extent to property-backed debt. Why would they oppose a government that is doing everything it can to protect them from ruin?
 

MPB

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I am trying to understand the Irish mindset after further announcement today of job losses and Nama approval.

If things werent bad enough the EU today just gave permission for the Irish government to land further debt on every man woman and child living in Ireland. At the same time we learn of further companies entering administration and Post Bank pulling out of Ireland.

Add all this to the continued poor economic data and outlook for this country and rolling strikes next week by the public service one wonders why the Irish people continue to put up with the Shinanigans of the Irish government.

Every Irish citizen from middle income to welfare dependent have been hit hard by the policies of this government, and yet the very highest paid people of this country continue to enjoy the good times.

Why are Irish people putting up with this? Why havent the public striked or called demonstrations? Why havent the people on welfare come togeather and created a pressure group? So many why`s and yet the people continue to suffer and the government just appeat to get away with it.

Its very ironic that a person who is in court for debts that cannot be paid because of the economic situation in Ireland will ultimately have their case decided by a judge who continues to earn over €100,000 per year!

What is so wrong with Irish people that we continue to put up with this and yet we see demonstrations against head shops and in some cases extreme acts of violence taken against them! I wonder about peoples priorites.

How much further damage will FF be allowed to do before people start to stop them?
People need an organisation to fall in behind. At the moment we have no party or organisation of protest.

Our Union leaders are only interested in getting back on board the gravy train of social partnership. Our political parties are stuffed full of eejits that think they are some kind of Royalty because their Grandaddy was in the GPO or Bolands Mills. Daftness being hereditry and all that.

The people of this country are not as sedate as you might think or feel, they just need something or someone worth following.
 

John Mitchel

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This is a prescient posting. I believe the reason that Irish people have swallowed every poison administered to them over the past couple of years is because there is no longer a sense of community. There is no social solidarity. Capitalism and globalization have created an economy--and a bad one--but not a society. This was one of the reasons why the capitalists and their friends imported perhaps a million foreigners into our country--to make us stop thinking of ourselves as one people. If you walk down an Irish street now, you no longer think "This is my place" or "These are my people".
 
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This was one of the reasons why the capitalists and their friends imported perhaps a million foreigners into our country--to make us stop thinking of ourselves as one people.
Yes, those capitalists are notorious for wanting to do that sort of thing.
 
G

Gimpanzee

A deeply colonised mindset.
Christ... more unthinking regurgitated gibberish. Better give this place a wide berth until Monday morning. And the looney corpse worshippers will be in in a while to salivate over blowing up stuff after the pub too....
 

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Nothing wrong with the general mindset at all.

Most people realise that serious action needed to be taken and has been taken. While understandably they're not mad keen on the effects on themselves, they also know there is very little choice.

With NAMA they accept it was the best of a very bad lot of choices and with luck in the end will do the job at little or no cost to the taxpayer.

The people most upset are the public service workers and you can see why, but again they know there was no choice and so far as I can see as now only interested in trying to make sure they are not hit again.
 

turdsl

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The people are very slow to react, they were much tougher in the 80s, I believe people are just starting to get annoyed,We all saw the handshake O Dea got after he was found unfit for office after smearing an opponent,We see the people that lost their jobs this Friday and every Friday, This government is a disgrace,we saw last week what they will do to hold jobs for themselves , hopefully the public sector will bring them down with another small help from themselves
 

Paddythai

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The people of Ireland do not have a history of taking to the streets in protest.

People are rebelling in small ways that could yet bring the country down.

People, who would have always feared authority, are saying enough is enough. Taxes are not being paid and people will take the consequences. The black economy is back. people see no value in continuing to pay taxes. Looking after yourself, your family and friends has become the priority. Confidence in the 'System' has gone and people are wise enough to know they have to look after themselves.
 
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Does Ireland have any natural leaders who are trying to fight for a cause or could do in the very near future?

I would have thought that the Socialists of Ireland would have had a stronger voice and considering their is very little to choose from FF, FG and Labour I would have expected a strong Socialist following to have grown up and be attacking the state and its elites.
 

darkhorse

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Todays news are merely the natural outcome of 10 years of unadulterated greed by large sections of the population.
Developers didnt build houses without buyers and house prices went up due to individuals outbidding each other, etc.
Complaining about job losses now and banking crises is a just little too late - 10 years too late in fact.
The time to complain was before the bubble was inflated.
Complaining now is like complaining about a hangover the day after a long party.
If we, as a country, had not drunk so much, we wouldnt have the hangover now.
There is no easy way of living in a bankrupt nation so get real and get used to it.
 

Green eyed monster

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Todays news are merely the natural outcome of 10 years of unadulterated greed by large sections of the population.
Developers didnt build houses without buyers and house prices went up due to individuals outbidding each other, etc.
Complaining about job losses now and banking crises is a just little too late - 10 years too late in fact.
The time to complain was before the bubble was inflated.
Complaining now is like complaining about a hangover the day after a long party.
If we, as a country, had not drunk so much, we wouldnt have the hangover now.
There is no easy way of living in a bankrupt nation so get real and get used to it.
You leave out the banks in your assessment of who was to blame for the 'greed', a bank that loans out to people with only a minor chance of getting it back is guilty of the highest greed - in fact there it was often personal individual greed as individual bankers went mad to loan out so they could personally get fatter bonuses based on a short termist mindset that dominated these organisations, the banks (many of them German) who loaned to the bad banks here (so they could loan out) are also to blame.

Then there is the government who did nothing to wrest control of the situation, the financial regulator who sat on his hands while Anglo loaned to people to buy shares in Anglo etc.
 

MPB

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Does Ireland have any natural leaders who are trying to fight for a cause or could do in the very near future?

I would have thought that the Socialists of Ireland would have had a stronger voice and considering their is very little to choose from FF, FG and Labour I would have expected a strong Socialist following to have grown up and be attacking the state and its elites.
What have Socialists got to offer? Socialism has had its time and Socialists have been shown to be just as corrupt and far more dangerous than Capitalists.

Fact is neither has worked but both failures can be put down to the good, old fashioned human failing of greed.

Maybe it is not the philosophys that are wrong but the people behind them.

Maybe the human race is not capable of getting it right.
 

TradCat

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There is no end of blame to go around but darkhorse is right. We are broke. What's there to protest for? What would we demand? That the government keep spending money it doesn't have? We should and we will throw out FF at the next election but the next government will have to make the same kinds of decisions.

Those who can emigrate will do so.
 

arcadeparade

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What have Socialists got to offer? Socialism has had its time and Socialists have been shown to be just as corrupt and far more dangerous than Capitalists.

Fact is neither has worked but both failures can be put down to the good, old fashioned human failing of greed.

Maybe it is not the philosophys that are wrong but the people behind them.

Maybe the human race is not capable of getting it right.
I dont think you know what Socialism is.

Suspend your disbelief for 5 minutes and have a read of this:
Workers' self-management - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wage slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Libertarian socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

eoghanacht

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What have Socialists got to offer? Socialism has had its time and Socialists have been shown to be just as corrupt and far more dangerous than Capitalists.

Fact is neither has worked but both failures can be put down to the good, old fashioned human failing of greed.

Maybe it is not the philosophys that are wrong but the people behind them.

Maybe the human race is not capable of getting it right.
yeah, maybe, but is it not a shame to say in all we as human's have acheived in our shared history, we can't produce a system that isn't weighted heavily in favour of the rich.
 
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