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What Odds Kenny to Step Down Before Bertie?


droghedasouth

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As BA himself said last week when doing a bit of panto auditioning up at the Castle, the Sun might crash into the Moon, but it didn't.

Des O'Neill dryly replied that they were not examining the motions of celestial bodies.
 

tonys

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droghedasouth said:
As BA himself said last week when doing a bit of panto auditioning up at the Castle, the Sun might crash into the Moon, but it didn't.

Des O'Neill dryly replied that they were not examining the motions of celestial bodies.
No, indeed, but they were apparently examining everything else.
 

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Paddy Power are offering odds on something similar over here.
Next Dáil Party Leader to Resign?
Singles Only. First to step down/resign as Party Leader. Doesn't include death.

Bertie Ahern 10 - 11
Caoimhin O' Caolain 7 - 4
Enda Kenny 3 - 1
John Gormley 9 - 1
Nothing for Mary Harney or Eamonn Gilmore.
 

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sarak said:
A fair question. Well what odds?
I'll give you any odds you like - and still take your money.
 
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Nah I think Kenny will be around into the next Dail for certain, Unless the gov collapses and we have a surprise election Bertie won't be.

Anyway, who's in a position to oust Kenny and would want the job?
 

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DavidMurphyperson said:
who's in a position to oust Kenny and would want the job?
Young Coveney has a lean and hungry look. But I can't see it, can you? It's a poisoned challice all right. But FG currently is too right wing to win power in Ireland. So, thinking outside the box: a party that needs a functioning leader AND a leader in need of a party that appreciates him. Following the precedent set by Michael O’Leary in 1982 – what if Pat Rabbitte resigns from the Labour Party and joins Fine Gael? You get a machine with the drive and ambition to wrest control of the support base that has underpinned Ahern...
 

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Apparatchik said:
So, thinking outside the box: a party that needs a functioning leader AND a leader in need of a party that appreciates him. Following the precedent set by Michael O’Leary in 1982 – what if Pat Rabbitte resigns from the Labour Party and joins Fine Gael? You get a machine with the drive and ambition to wrest control of the support base that has underpinned Ahern...
:roll: Fine Gael are a party with 40,000 members, 51 TDs, 14 Senators and 5 MEPs, Apparatchik. They're not in the business of hiring in outsiders for a non-existant leadership vacancy. If such a vacancy did exist, you can be assured it would be filled with distinction from within the party. Now stop pretending to be a Phoenix sub-editor - you're fooling nobody.
 

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Bruton did better in 1997 than Kenny did in 2007.

They got rid of Bruton, why not Kenny?
 

FiannaFail4ever!

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Bertie has been leader for 13 years and Enda has only been leader for just 5. That means that even in bertie left tomorrow, Kenny would need to be still leader in 8 years time for him to have gone before Bertie. Not very likely!
 

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Bruton did better in 1997 than Kenny did in 2007.

They got rid of Bruton, why not Kenny?

:roll: They didn't get rid of Bruton in 1997 though, did they? But there was a constant drift of the party under Bruton once he was no longer Taoiseach. Particularly from 1999 onwards, the party's message was confused and confusing, its publicity campaigns were disastrous, (eg The Celtic Snail), and this lack of direction was showing in continual declines in the opinion polls - at one point slipping to just 19%. In short, it was heading for a very bad election. What was noticeable about Bruton was that once the challenge came from Noonan, he came out fighting hard in the media - which only begged the question, "why aren't you like all the time?"Compare that to now - instead of dropping in the polls post-election (as FG have tended to do), FG have continued to rise - and two successive national polls have shown the party equalling a 25-year high. Enda Kenny's net approval rating, at plus eight, is miles ahead of Ahern's MINUS THIRTEEN net approval rating. Even now FG look a good bet to be the largest party in local government post-2009 - and its been seen again and again in Irish politics that local success can lead on to national success. So to compare how FG have done since last May's election, compared to how they performed post-1997, well there's just no comparison.

So, remind me again - why should FG be getting rid of Kenny?
 

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FiannaFail4ever! said:
Bertie has been leader for 13 years and Enda has only been leader for just 5. That means that even in bertie left tomorrow, Kenny would need to be still leader in 8 years time for him to have gone before Bertie. Not very likely!
Bertie mathematics at its finest?

Regards...jmcc
 
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