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What policies will the next govt. adopt


wombat

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Just wondering if anyone out there wants a break from discussing polls and personalities for a while. As I see it, we will have a definite choice between the policies that will dominate the next govt. As far as I know, all the major parties have agreed to cut 3 billion from the deficit. My understanding is that FG prefer cuts to current spending rather than raising taxes. Labour, I think want to do a bit of both but since they also want to protect everyone, it looks like they favour more taxes.
I think all parties agree that reducing unemployment is the key to recovery but none of them have a specific plan - Labour believe their State Bank will be a key, FG have plans on selling some of the semi states. It seems most likely that we will have a combination of Labour & FG and I think its reasonable that the larger of the two will set the tone of the govt - coalitions generally being a compromise. Since we will have to deal with the consequence of our choice, should we start to consider a few likely policies?
 


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Just wondering if anyone out there wants a break from discussing polls and personalities for a while. As I see it, we will have a definite choice between the policies that will dominate the next govt. As far as I know, all the major parties have agreed to cut 3 billion from the deficit. My understanding is that FG prefer cuts to current spending rather than raising taxes. Labour, I think want to do a bit of both but since they also want to protect everyone, it looks like they favour more taxes.
I think all parties agree that reducing unemployment is the key to recovery but none of them have a specific plan - Labour believe their State Bank will be a key, FG have plans on selling some of the semi states. It seems most likely that we will have a combination of Labour & FG and I think its reasonable that the larger of the two will set the tone of the govt - coalitions generally being a compromise. Since we will have to deal with the consequence of our choice, should we start to consider a few likely policies?
Have been waiting for this thread a while now. Cannot wait to see the FG and Labour response. I think FF people should refrain from passing any comment on proposals until thread reaches at least 70 posts
 

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Just wondering if anyone out there wants a break from discussing polls and personalities for a while. As I see it, we will have a definite choice between the policies that will dominate the next govt. As far as I know, all the major parties have agreed to cut 3 billion from the deficit. My understanding is that FG prefer cuts to current spending rather than raising taxes. Labour, I think want to do a bit of both but since they also want to protect everyone, it looks like they favour more taxes.
I think all parties agree that reducing unemployment is the key to recovery but none of them have a specific plan - Labour believe their State Bank will be a key, FG have plans on selling some of the semi states. It seems most likely that we will have a combination of Labour & FG and I think its reasonable that the larger of the two will set the tone of the govt - coalitions generally being a compromise. Since we will have to deal with the consequence of our choice, should we start to consider a few likely policies?
Health - Universal system almost certain at this stage.
Banking - Next gov probably forced to continue with NAMA.
Deficit - Probably a combination of taxes and spending cuts - with more of an emphasis on cuts than taxes
Education - I reckon this'll be a big one for labour - i think (or at least hope) labour will refuse to bring in 3rd level fees.
Social welfare - dunno
Environment - assume there'll be some commitment made to greenhouse emissions and rightly so. Hopefully some political reform and a tightening up of rezoning
Energy - More commitment to renewables. Dunno about the privatisation business.
Justice - dunno
Foreign Affairs - dunno
Agriculture - Labour have been saying something about CAP reform, don't know much about agriculture
 

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I think FF people should refrain from passing any comment on proposals until thread reaches at least 70 posts
You may have to wait a while;)
Seriously, unless you all intend to emigrate you will be faced with the consequences too so why not argue your case.
 

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Health - Universal system almost certain at this stage.
Banking - Next gov probably forced to continue with NAMA.
Deficit - Probably a combination of taxes and spending cuts - with more of an emphasis on cuts than taxes
Education - I reckon this'll be a big one for labour - i think (or at least hope) labour will refuse to bring in 3rd level fees.
Social welfare - dunno
Environment - assume there'll be some commitment made to greenhouse emissions and rightly so. Hopefully some political reform and a tightening up of rezoning
Energy - More commitment to renewables. Dunno about the privatisation business.
Justice - dunno
Foreign Affairs - dunno
Agriculture - Labour have been saying something about CAP reform, don't know much about agriculture
Healt- How do you pay for universal cover
Defecit- Cuts to what, who, when
Education - So you will cut services but continue susidising the education of the progeny of the rich
Social welfare ?
Energy - At the behest of the unions Labour will reject privatisation
Justice - ?
Foreign Affairs - We will recognise officially the Socialist struggle in the Spanish Civil War
Agriculture - As CAP is European matter Labour can keep talking, nobody is listening.
 

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This thread will be deafening by it's silence. Labour have no policies, they have aspirational soundbites. Like FG, they have spent so long in opposition I don't think they're mentally prepared for power.

I'm genuinely frightened with Labour in govt that they will lurch to the left and replicate the same mistakes of high tax, statism that paralysed the country in the 80s. The Unions will expect. . . .
 

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Health - Universal system almost certain at this stage
Banking - Next gov probably forced to continue with NAMA.
Deficit - Probably a combination of taxes and spending cuts - with more of an emphasis on cuts than taxes.
+1

Education - I reckon this'll be a big one for labour - i think (or at least hope) labour will refuse to bring in 3rd level fees.
We need a graduate tax or loan scheme, doing this could allow for the abolition of registration fees which could make college even more attractive. We can't continue with the present where wealthy people get child benefit and free 3rd level, the state can no longer afford it.

Environment - assume there'll be some commitment made to greenhouse emissions and rightly so. Hopefully some political reform and a tightening up of rezoning
Fine Gael has NewPolitics and I hope to see something from Labour. This idea that they're the radical party to reform the system doesn't do anything for me. Gilmore says they're a policy driven party but there's not even a document for this!

Who cares about our greenhouse emissions. We're a tiny Island. China and the US are booming ahead while we shoot ourselves in the foot with Kyoto fees. We should try to get a global deal to reduce emissions but if that falls through we shouldn't restrict our economy by stopping CO2 emissions.

Energy - More commitment to renewables. Dunno about the privatisation business.
Sell off the semi-states but keep the infrastructure in State control, no repeat of Eircom.
 

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This thread will be deafening by it's silence. Labour have no policies, they have aspirational soundbites. Like FG, they have spent so long in opposition I don't think they're mentally prepared for power.

I'm genuinely frightened with Labour in govt that they will lurch to the left and replicate the same mistakes of high tax, statism that paralysed the country in the 80s. The Unions will expect. . . .
I don't think long periods of opposition make parties unfit for office! If anything it's given the opposition 13 years to see how NOT to run a country!!!
 

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fianna fail have raped the country for their buddies

(where is all the property speculation money gone-offshore with the very limited cute hoors who support ff financially)

you are afraid of labour and high taxes ????

can you tell me how are we all going to pay for fianna fails con job for the last 10+ years

no choice- its fianna fails feck up not labour's or anyone else

thank you fianna fail for tax rises and cuts to services.

afraid of labour- are u on tablets- ff have sent all of us to bankruptcy
 

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This thread will be deafening by it's silence. Labour have no policies, they have aspirational soundbites. Like FG, they have spent so long in opposition I don't think they're mentally prepared for power.

I'm genuinely frightened with Labour in govt that they will lurch to the left and replicate the same mistakes of high tax, statism that paralysed the country in the 80s. The Unions will expect. . . .
Not fair, what about their see through schools policy.
 

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This thread will be deafening by it's silence. Labour have no policies, they have aspirational soundbites. Like FG, they have spent so long in opposition I don't think they're mentally prepared for power.

I'm genuinely frightened with Labour in govt that they will lurch to the left and replicate the same mistakes of high tax, statism that paralysed the country in the 80s. The Unions will expect. . . .
LeDroit doesn't like labour shock!!!!!:eek:
 

taxman58

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fianna fail have raped the country for their buddies

(where is all the property speculation money gone-offshore with the very limited cute hoors who support ff financially)

you are afraid of labour and high taxes ????

can you tell me how are we all going to pay for fianna fails con job for the last 10+ years

no choice- its fianna fails feck up not labour's or anyone else

thank you fianna fail for tax rises and cuts to services.

afraid of labour- are u on tablets- ff have sent all of us to bankruptcy

High taxes to maintain/grow PS will not solve current defecit. The current defecit (ignoring banking costs) was due to FF following Labour policies at behest of Unions. The PS see this hence their move in droves from FF to Labour.
 

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whatever the exact makeup of the new government, most of its time is going to be spent cleaning up FF's excrement.

my worry is that the public will get very disillusioned very quickly with this, and that fianna fail will get back in relatively quickly, even though they deserve to be out of power for a minimum of 20 years.
 

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whatever the exact makeup of the new government, most of its time is going to be spent cleaning up FF's excrement.

my worry is that the public will get very disillusioned very quickly with this, and that fianna fail will get back in relatively quickly, even though they deserve to be out of power for a minimum of 20 years.
Fianna Fail will return as the biggest party in Government in the election after next, I feel they will run close to that too in the upcoming election. I fear they will manage to sneak up to about 30%, we'll have to wait and see.
 

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This thread will be deafening by it's silence. Labour have no policies, they have aspirational soundbites.
Why do you continue to come out with that crap. It's not true.

Like FG, they have spent so long in opposition I don't think they're mentally prepared for power.
Horsepoo. That's like something Eamonn Dunphy would say before a match.

I'm genuinely frightened with Labour in govt that they will lurch to the left and replicate the same mistakes of high tax, statism that paralysed the country in the 80s. The Unions will expect. . . .
It was Labour that started the trend in lowering taxation, especially Corpo tax. Get yourself a history book for your birthday.
 

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I find the response to the thread quite disappointing - contrast it with the response to Paddy Sheahan's attempt at drink driving. Policies are important and I believe there are basic differences in the approach of FG & Labour to the running of the economy. FG prefer a predominantly private sector approach whereas Labour favour a large state sector. My contention is that the relative strengths of the parties will determine the direction the govt. will take. In general, I prefer the private approach which is why I support FG rather than Labour despite the popularity of the leaders.
 

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I find the response to the thread quite disappointing - contrast it with the response to Paddy Sheahan's attempt at drink driving. Policies are important and I believe there are basic differences in the approach of FG & Labour to the running of the economy. FG prefer a predominantly private sector approach whereas Labour favour a large state sector. My contention is that the relative strengths of the parties will determine the direction the govt. will take. In general, I prefer the private approach which is why I support FG rather than Labour despite the popularity of the leaders.
Of course it's disappointing. I predicted as much myself. Labour have no policies to discuss except 'fairness, accountability bla bla'. They have NO plan. Period. They are doing a Bertie, (agree with everyone, alienate no one), to get the poll numbers up.

FG have loads of policies in fairness to them but they have no one to sell them. If Enda tried to sell you a Dyson would you buy it? Even Bruton would be a jibbering insipid mess.

So to answer the OP;
1. Economy & Banks; 'Even though we fundamentally disagree with the terrible FF policies, we inherited NAMA and the Anglo/AIB bailouts. We are obliged to follow through'. Result- No Change
2. Jobs; 'Having finally had access to the accounts we were shocked at how badly FF have run things. It turns out real unemployment is 18% but FF hid it. Even the National Pension Fund is empty after bailing out AIB and BoI. We now can't afford NewEra but would recommend Canada as a nice place to live'. Result- No Change.
3. Health; 'Tragically FF have left us no money. Although we have an amazing healthcare system planned, we can't implement it, sorry'. Result- No Change.
4. Education; See Health above.
Etc
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So to answer the OP;
1. Economy & Banks; 'Even though we fundamentally disagree with the terrible FF policies, we inherited NAMA and the Anglo/AIB bailouts. We are obliged to follow through'. Result- No Change
2. Jobs; 'Having finally had access to the accounts we were shocked at how badly FF have run things. It turns out real unemployment is 18% but FF hid it. Even the National Pension Fund is empty after bailing out AIB and BoI. We now can't afford NewEra but would recommend Canada as a nice place to live'. Result- No Change.
3. Health; 'Tragically FF have left us no money. Although we have an amazing healthcare system planned, we can't implement it, sorry'. Result- No Change.
4. Education; See Health above.
If this is the case, we should logically vote for FF but I don't believe it is so.
Maybe its too early on a Saturday to worry about policies , Enda/Biffo bashing is far easier
 

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