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What the Hell is Going on in Oberstown?




im axeled

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Why should experience prison officers bother?
Rapist
there are plenty empty army barracks which could easily house all the various thugs, forget the prison officers, let the mp's run and regulate them, swiftly there would be a change, one the people of ireland deserve
 

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Crime is at its lowest level in decades. The rate of youths committing offences is a fraction of what it was in, say, the 90s.

For example, burnt out vehicles used to be a common sight on many of the green fields next to housing estates.
Now you very rarely see them.

We've never lived in a more peaceful era.
ask all the elderly folk who have had the sch1t kicked out of them, then ask the elderly people of ireland who live in dread of it happening to them
 

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Indeed it might, I might seek revenge against such a person, instead of seeking justice. The former is a very easy mindset to slip into but ultimately it isn't constructive.
in my case they would hope the cops get them first, they would require proctive custory, as i have a few bob squirreled away in case the ever get past the dogs etc
 

im axeled

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And how would that be instructive?

Google: "availability bias"

And perhaps "rosy retrospection" afterwards.
i will not bother with your links, if they are that importaant you would have linked them, my post shows that crime is alive and well in ireland, it was aided and abetted by the trousering party and their lackey pup the lieabout/stickie/dissos, who in their compleate lack of wisdom came up with the brainfart of closing rural garda stations and depleated the force, allowing the criminals the freedom of ireland
 

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Crime is at its lowest level in decades. The rate of youths committing offences is a fraction of what it was in, say, the 90s.

For example, burnt out vehicles used to be a common sight on many of the green fields next to housing estates.
Now you very rarely see them.

We've never lived in a more peaceful era.
you are wrong frannie/noreen, the vast majority of burgularys etc go unreported as the gards dont bother to turn up and unless one has video evedince, in a case hear me two people sic were caught on cctv burgling a few private and two buissness premises, the folloeing night they were caught on cctv walking around a house, the owner contacted the cops who arrived nabbed the pair, they came up with the excuse that they had lost a gold necklace the previous night and were just looking for it
 

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I cant link due a lack of posts.

But here's the Wiki descriptions:
how does this apply to the thugs who roam the countryside, how many with 60 odd convictions are still involved in crime and has never seen the inside of a penal institution, yet can hammer the sch1t of whoever gets in their way
 

greengoose2

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What fantasy?
You're the the fantasist posting alarmist sh1te.

There have always been excitable gobsh1tes lamenting the 'decline' of civilisation, or some variation thereof.
It doesn't matter how peaceful or prosperous the society actually is.

The internet, for all it's benefits, provides non-stop feedback in the form of news reports and/or social media cascades. Cretins like yourself are condemned to be in a near permanent state of alarm.
By God but you are a rather belligerent sock! A mere nine posts to get directly into insult mode. Bravo!
 

im axeled

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You're an auld lad trying to get to grips with almost non-stop digital feedback.

In the past, people just had the newspapers and evening news on the telly. Then came PCs and the internet. Then came smartphones.

It's no wonder there's so much hysteria.
why are you haveing so much trouble with this new digital world, one does not have to be an auld lad to have trouble to deal with this non stop digital feedback, b.t.w.are you an extension of the three jonnys by chance
 

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You didn't pose a question, you passed a vacuous remark.
Clearly you have a difficulty understanding the difference between a 'comment', 'remark' and a 'question'...
 

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This sort of thing was always going to happen when the state says that until they reach their 18th birthday they are effectively innocent children.

Surely beyond the age of 16 at the very most those that criminally offend must be treated as young adults and not kept in the holiday camp that is Oberstown, in this instance Ireland is reaping what it has sown.

And if I may the drive that is presently on for Ireland to accept unaccompanied minors formerly from the Jungle may end up with us getting Children of 17, 18 and even 35 as they will not have any papers. Children I have no issue with Young Adults or worse still those claiming to be I most definitely do.
 

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Teen Lags in 100 Attacks on Staff

Following up from the rooftop skirmish we now have a new phase in that establishment. Offering bribes of toasted sandwiches to calm down the violent thugs!

A young offender involved in two violent armed robberies was offered a toasted sandwich to end a stand-off at Oberstown detention centre.

We can expect deathly silence from Minister Zappone over this new stunt!

These yobs are criminals and should be dealt with by real experienced prison officers and not social workers!

QUOTE "Staff then advised management at Oberstown to call the garda public order unit, but this request was refused, according to sources.
The young thug and two other youths are currently serving time for two violent robberies in the Midlands.

In one robbery, a shopkeeper in his 70s was taken to hospital after receiving a savage beating.
Hours later, the same three youths stabbed a taxi driver, also in his 70s, before making off with a small sum of cash."ENDQUOTE


Management didn't want the gardaí involved. Trump hysteria seems to trump this sort of foul news!
The above post was over 2 years ago but I picked up free copy of Daily Star in coffee shop today and saw article with heading:

Teen Lags in 100 Attacks on Staff
with subheading
Weapons used in 'serious assaults on Oberstown workers

It begins Staff at Oberstown Children Detention Campus were injured during violent incidents involving juvenile inmates on 103 occasions last year, new figures have revealed.

[Figures supplied by Children's Minister Katherine Zappone in response to question from Clare Daly]

Their ages range from 13 to 17 and it looks like some are well on the way to becoming Ireland's next generation of serious criminals.

The late Mary Raftery used to say that her eyes were opened when she realised how many serious criminals had served time in Industrial Schools run by religious orders - especially the Christian Brothers. (Apparently it was the brutality of the religious that made them turn out that way). So what is the current SECULAR explanation?
 

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Under-18s Facility [Oberstown] is Probably One of the Best-Resourced Schools in the Country

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The late Mary Raftery used to say that her eyes were opened when she realised how many serious criminals had served time in Industrial Schools run by religious orders - especially the Christian Brothers. (Apparently it was the brutality of the religious that made them turn out that way). So what is the current SECULAR explanation?
Oddly enough it doesn't seem to be the fault of the Oberstown staff. Here is an Irish Times report

A captive audience: How Oberstown educates its young residents
Under-18s facility is probably one of the best-resourced schools in the country

Pat Bergin talks more like a social worker than someone in charge of a detention facility. He doesn’t speak about crimes but “challenging behaviour”. And those in his charge are not inmates or detainees, they’re residents or simply “the young lads”.

That’s because under law, Oberstown – the State’s only detention facility for those under 18 – is not a detention facility or a prison, it is a school. In fact it is probably one of the best-resourced schools in the country.


And again

When detainees come to Oberstown they engage with their education, and their reading and writing improves. One reason for this is there are only four students per class, Bergin says. Another is they are in every sense of the word “a captive audience”. .......”It costs €934 a day to detain a young person in Oberstown or €340,983 a year. By comparison it costs about €75,000 to lock someone up in an adult prison....

So if it's NOT evil staff or lack of facilities and cash (compared to the very rich religious orders) what IS causing the rioting and arson and assaults in Oberstown?

Could it be that Mary Raftery got it wrong - in fact made a basic logical error? The fact that serious adult criminals usually have spent time in juvenile detention centres, does NOT mean that those centres caused the residents to become criminals!
 
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