What would be the point of bringing this Government down?

ShoutingIsLeadership

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In the context of the events which might precipitate it...the filthy behaviour of potentially corrupt Gardai, and the incompetence or worse, of Tusla.

What does it achieve?

Surely it takes the heat off the main protagonists to this sordid affair?

Is politics now just a game which ends with the fall of a government?
 


ger12

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They face the People again. It's called accountability.
 

gleeful

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The gov shouldnt necessarily fall because of this but the top layer of Garda bureaucracy needs to be removed. Pension them all off. Clean house.
 

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Accountable for what, in the context of what might trigger this?

What is different this week, in that context, to last?
It's an empty phrase without very specific examples. A lot of this type of demand is driven by faux buyers remorse and an often petulant response to how the arithmetic worked out. We, the public, voted in no particular way and left the politicians to figure out how to cobble a functioning government together. It's not an ideal set-up but what it has exposed is the weakness of putative parties to government. It has also shown that this kind of scenario can work after a fashion and does not mean the end of civilisation.
 

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If it gets rid of zappo, ross and kenny, it will be a good day for the country.
 
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Now would not be a good time for an election. Brexit, Trump, Putin, the rise of the populist right - the world is a far more uncertain place in February 2017 than it was in February 2016.
 

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If it gets rid of zappo, ross and kenny, it will be a good day for the country.
Actions have consequences - it would replace them with a Government headed by FF.

Whatever you may think of Kenny (who for the love of God, should just go), he has presided over a V-shaped recovery that has been a truly remarkable achievement. Replacing FG, who saved the economy, with the party that wrecked it seems like an act of self-harm.
Not that we are short of recent examples of self-harm in our friend and allies.
 

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How negative!
it's true. If we have another election, it would will shift the deckchairs around, but not decisively. FF on current polls would become the largest party - but would be dependent on the goodwill of others for survival.
 

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I suspect they'll go sooner rather than later so as to prevent contagion to the rest of the political system.

Mind you, if Tweedle Dum/Twedle Dee politics survived 2008 and its aftermath it will likely survive anything.
 

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Accountable for what, in the context of what might trigger this?

What is different this week, in that context, to last?
Are you suggesting we're in the same place today as we were a week ago? Seriously?

Your question was posed should there be an election, I answered it. You didn't ask if there should be an election, perhaps that would have been the salient question to ask.

For the record, I don't think we should have an election, if as was suggested, someone from outside this country investigates this. Zappone has lost my confidence, beggars belief that she didn't inform the cabinet, her position is untenable.
 
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ShoutingIsLeadership

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It's an empty phrase without very specific examples. A lot of this type of demand is driven by faux buyers remorse and an often petulant response to how the arithmetic worked out. We, the public, voted in no particular way and left the politicians to figure out how to cobble a functioning government together. It's not an ideal set-up but what it has exposed is the weakness of putative parties to government. It has also shown that this kind of scenario can work after a fashion and does not mean the end of civilisation.


Ironically, a patched-together government might prove to be MORE stable than the traditional kind
 

HarshBuzz

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I suspect they'll go sooner rather than later so as to prevent contagion to the rest of the political system.

Mind you, if Tweedle Dum/Twedle Dee politics survived 2008 and its aftermath it will likely survive anything.
actually one reasonable result might be that people have wised up to the uselessness of putting Indos in the Dail.

If our voting blocs had more coherence to them, then we might actually have a chance of more intelligent policy-making, rather than catering to the inbred yokels back home in the constituency.
 


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