Whatever happened the Private Kelly "murder" investigation ?


rockofcashel

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Just over 4 years ago now, the son of Private Patrick Kelly, a soldier shot in Ballinamore Woods in peculiar circumstances, confronted Martin Mc Guinness, who was then the SF candidate in the Presidential election.

The confrontation caused a bit of a media frenzy at the time, and lead for calls for the investigations in the soldiers death, and that of a young Garda recruit Gary Sheehan.

Such calls were universally supported at the time.

But in the four years since, there seems to have been no advance in the investigations whatsoever ?

One has to wonder why the Justice Establishment has taken so little interest in this, given the deaths of two men who were part of the security forces of the State.

Or, perhaps there is truth in the rumour which abounded at the time, and has persisted since, that both men were in fact killed be members of the same security forces of which they were a part of, in an incident of "friendly fire", which has been conveniently covered up by blaming the deaths on members of the IRA.

Isn't it strange how such news stories consistently appear prior to elections, only to disappear again afterwards ?

So does anyone know.. what happened to this "investigation" ?
 

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Just over 4 years ago now, the son of Private Patrick Kelly, a soldier shot in Ballinamore Woods in peculiar circumstances, confronted Martin Mc Guinness, who was then the SF candidate in the Presidential election.

The confrontation caused a bit of a media frenzy at the time, and lead for calls for the investigations in the soldiers death, and that of a young Garda recruit Gary Sheehan.

Such calls were universally supported at the time.

But in the four years since, there seems to have been no advance in the investigations whatsoever ?

One has to wonder why the Justice Establishment has taken so little interest in this, given the deaths of two men who were part of the security forces of the State.

Or, perhaps there is truth in the rumour which abounded at the time, and has persisted since, that both men were in fact killed be members of the same security forces of which they were a part of, in an incident of "friendly fire", which has been conveniently covered up by blaming the deaths on members of the IRA.

Isn't it strange how such news stories consistently appear prior to elections, only to disappear again afterwards ?

So does anyone know.. what happened to this "investigation" ?
You seem a bit desperate. Everything ok? Do you need to talk to someone?
 

rockofcashel

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You seem a bit desperate. Everything ok? Do you need to talk to someone?
Is this not a legitimate question ?

The story took up a huge amount of time and space in the mainstream and internet media at the time, yet seems to have disappeared since.

Is there a reason why the killings of not one, but two members of the security forces, allegedly by paramilitaries, does not seem to be investigated ?
 

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You seem a bit desperate. Everything ok? Do you need to talk to someone?
SF are polling at 7-8% in Tipp. He is unhinged.
 

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SF are polling at 7-8% in Tipp. He is unhinged.
What has the question posited in the opening post got to do with an investigation into the killing of two members of the Irish security forces ?

This was a huge story only four years ago, yet seems to have disappeared off the radar now.

Would you not like to know what really happened in Derrada Wood that day ?
 

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Rock

To most people now this is something out of the history pages

It can no effect on their current or future circumstances

Its an embarrassment to SF and to the Defence Forces + GSA

- so it is not going to get any traction from them
 

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Rock

To most people now this is something out of the history pages

It can no effect on their current or future circumstances

Its an embarrassment to SF and to the Defence Forces + GSA

- so it is not going to get any traction from them
Not at all... I'd love to know happened.

I mean, I find it amazing that so many stories like this appear just before elections, and then seem to disappear into the ether afterwards
 

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Is this not a legitimate question ?

The story took up a huge amount of time and space in the mainstream and internet media at the time, yet seems to have disappeared since.

Is there a reason why the killings of not one, but two members of the security forces, allegedly by paramilitaries, does not seem to be investigated ?
If you really want to know the answer why are you posting the question here?
 

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Just over 4 years ago now, the son of Private Patrick Kelly, a soldier shot in Ballinamore Woods in peculiar circumstances, confronted Martin Mc Guinness, who was then the SF candidate in the Presidential election.

The confrontation caused a bit of a media frenzy at the time, and lead for calls for the investigations in the soldiers death, and that of a young Garda recruit Gary Sheehan.

Such calls were universally supported at the time.

But in the four years since, there seems to have been no advance in the investigations whatsoever ?

One has to wonder why the Justice Establishment has taken so little interest in this, given the deaths of two men who were part of the security forces of the State.

Or, perhaps there is truth in the rumour which abounded at the time, and has persisted since, that both men were in fact killed be members of the same security forces of which they were a part of, in an incident of "friendly fire", which has been conveniently covered up by blaming the deaths on members of the IRA.

Isn't it strange how such news stories consistently appear prior to elections, only to disappear again afterwards ?

So does anyone know.. what happened to this "investigation" ?
Will you be quite! It may ring a few bells in the Establishment, and some SF candidate may be arrested for the 6 one news this evening.
 

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Rock

To most people now this is something out of the history pages

It can no effect on their current or future circumstances

Its an embarrassment to SF and to the Defence Forces + GSA

- so it is not going to get any traction from them
Are you suggesting that there is "collusion" between the Shinners and the security forces on this one ?
Surely time for an official inquiry. There are a lot of lean barristers about these days ...
 

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If you really want to know the answer why are you posting the question here?
Perhaps someone here knows.

There seems to be an abundance of experts on P.ie in matters related to the IRA. I am sure someone here knows something. A lot of people seemed to know a lot four years ago when Martin Mc Guinness was confronted.

You seem reticent in wanting to know the truth about this case.

Is there any reason why that is ?
 

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Perhaps someone here knows.

There seems to be an abundance of experts on P.ie in matters related to the IRA. I am sure someone here knows something. A lot of people seemed to know a lot four years ago when Martin Mc Guinness was confronted.

You seem reticent in wanting to know the truth about this case.

Is there any reason why that is ?
All the experts KNOW what happened but the truth will cause them nothing but problems despite the fact that they were willing to use the Family to attempt to score political points over SF only to walk away and leave the Family high and dry.

Any truth in the rumor that there is a bunch of Labour TD's banging down Joanies door to tell her that their concerns for Maria Cahill are so pure and genuine that they do not wish to be considered for a Seanad seat ahead of Maria?

Will the Stack Family vanish over the horizon of FG/FF/Labours vision once the ballot boxes open?
 

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Just over 4 years ago now, the son of Private Patrick Kelly, a soldier shot in Ballinamore Woods in peculiar circumstances, confronted Martin Mc Guinness, who was then the SF candidate in the Presidential election.

The confrontation caused a bit of a media frenzy at the time, and lead for calls for the investigations in the soldiers death, and that of a young Garda recruit Gary Sheehan.

Such calls were universally supported at the time.

But in the four years since, there seems to have been no advance in the investigations whatsoever ?

One has to wonder why the Justice Establishment has taken so little interest in this, given the deaths of two men who were part of the security forces of the State.

Or, perhaps there is truth in the rumour which abounded at the time, and has persisted since, that both men were in fact killed be members of the same security forces of which they were a part of, in an incident of "friendly fire", which has been conveniently covered up by blaming the deaths on members of the IRA.

Isn't it strange how such news stories consistently appear prior to elections, only to disappear again afterwards ?

So does anyone know.. what happened to this "investigation" ?
Nothing because Martin McGuinness hasn't run in an election in the Republic since.
 

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We should muzzle the families of crime victims in the run up to elections. Or maybe ROC can suggest a more permanent solution to keep them from expressing themselves.
 

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We should muzzle the families of crime victims in the run up to elections. Or maybe ROC can suggest a more permanent solution to keep them from expressing themselves.
Sounds like a shinner policy - the Stack family have been looking for justice for years - it is not their fault thaty they only get media coverage when there is an election looming - do you think they should give up the only opportunities they have to be heard
 

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We should muzzle the families of crime victims in the run up to elections. Or maybe ROC can suggest a more permanent solution to keep them from expressing themselves.
I absolutely can.

Properly investigate what happened and tell the families the truth.

Do not push the findings under a rock because the findings are highly embarrassing to more than one arm of the State's security apparatus.

And finally, stop using a families grief as a political football.

Would you like ROC to suggest further solutions ?

Or shall I wait for the next corpse to be dragged out ?
 

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Sounds like a shinner policy - the Stack family have been looking for justice for years - it is not their fault thaty they only get media coverage when there is an election looming - do you think they should give up the only opportunities they have to be heard
The question that should be asked.. is why do they only get media coverage at election time.

Surely they deserve to be heard until justice is found for them. Have you never considered the fact that if it is consistently expedient to have their unsolved cases to drag up each election time.. then some people will see the advantage in never solving their cases ?
 

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Have you never considered the fact that if it is consistently expedient to have their unsolved cases to drag up each election time.. then some people will see the advantage in never solving their cases ?
I dont think we're going to run out of unsolved IRA atrocities any time soon but 10 out of 10 for the conspiraloon theory.
 
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