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Whelan, Pravda and P.ie - undermining a mainstream media game.


He3

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At peak yesterday the main Politics.ie thread on the Taoiseach's Morning Ireland interview and aftermath was clocking ten thousand views per hour.

As the story spread and anger grew at the latest instance of us being dissed by the man we pay to lead the country, there were revealing reactions from some quarters. Sarah Carey picks up on the reaction of Noel Whelan, a barrister and commentator regularly heard on RTE and columnist in the Irish Times.

Noel Whelan’s arguments on Today with Pat Kenny on Radio 1 yesterday dug the hole deeper.

He’d moved on from blaming Coveney and Twitter to blaming RTÉ. Apparently the real crime was not that Coveney would dare to tweet what everyone else was thinking, but that RTÉ would let us know. Whelan was unusually shrill and genuinely furious that Pat Kenny had broadcast the accusation. He argued it was the responsibility of the mainstream media to check its facts rather than channelling unconfirmed rubbish from the interweb.

When Kenny said they had formally asked the Fianna Fáil press office whether the Taoiseach was “unwell” but received no response, Whelan said they should have waited for one. Hello Pravda.

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Whelan’s rage against the establishment media revealed that he sees the media, not as a channel to get information to the public, but as gatekeepers who should keep information from the public. Normally the media are pretty reliable at keeping politicians’ social secrets, since most of the time, they are keeping the politicians company too.

Inebriation is one of those states which journalists actively collude with politicians in covering up.

Social media totally undermine the game because they make it harder to control stories that the golden media circle deems unfit for general public consumption.


Blame lies squarely with the Taoiseach - The Irish Times - Thu, Sep 16, 2010

Of course as Carey's account of the interview with Whelan by Pat Kenny itself shows, the mainstream media (MSM in the jargon) played its part in covering the story but as Miriam Lord said yesterday this was at least in part because of the way it had taken off here and on other places like twitter. It is not a case of MSM bad, social media good, but the symbiosis can yield novel effects.

Gotta keep up with the changing times.
 


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Whelan is nothing more than a trojan horse and how he gets presented as some kind of independent commentator, shows how low the standards in the irish media are.
 

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Save the trees and ink wells, the MSM Spinning Jenny is obsolete, the democratization of media has well begun.
 

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Whelan is nothing more than a trojan horse and how he gets presented as some kind of independent commentator, shows how low the standards in the irish media are.

Agreed but Sarah Carey isn't a serious journalist either !!
 

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Wonder how Sindo, Harris and Corcoran will spin it next Sunday. I suspect something like "Cowen is a great man like Churchill, who suffered depression and was fond of whiskey, but of course then there were no twitters and internet to print those things about him. If it was now Churchill would be outed and Germany would have won ther war, same with Kennedy and women. Our Brian is persecuted, but like Churchill he will lead us out of the depths and to a shining city on the hill, no one else can, so back our Churchill" . Remember where you read it first !
 

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Yes, the opinion piece has some correct insights. And it is fun to see one IT columnist have a go at another.

Two questions remain...

Will Whelan continue demanding righteous deference towards the apparatus of government once his crowd are in opposition? Will he f--k.

And how will the fragrant Sarah react when the Moriarty Tribunal finally publishes and various bloggers take a more, eh, independent view of things than the mainstream media? Will she meekly accept it if RTÉ turn to those writers as sources of opinion and comment, or will she suddenly turn all Noel Whelan on us, albeit with Denis O'Brien in the place of Brian Cowen? I suppose we're going to find out.
 

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Wonder how Sindo, Harris and Corcoran will spin it next Sunday. I suspect something like "Cowen is a great man like Churchill, who suffered depression and was fond of whiskey, but of course then there were no twitters and internet to print those things about him. If it was now Churchill would be outed and Germany would have won ther war, same with Kennedy and women. Our Brian is persecuted, but like Churchill he will lead us out of the depths and to a shining city on the hill, no one else can, so back our Churchill" . Remember where you read it first !
It writes itself, really, doesn't it?

They'll probably throw in a reference to other heroic heavy drinkers of an Irish background.

"If there'd been twitter and gutter rats like Coveney back in 1990, there'd have been no Paul McGrath on that Irish team. We wouldn't have had half the team, or big Jack. We'll take big Jack over little Enda any day - or any morning - of the week. Rinse. Wash. Sneer. Repeat."
 
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Agreed but Sarah Carey isn't a serious journalist either !!
Hmm, I'm beginning to warm to her. Thought she was very good on the (very good) Prime Time debate with Ivana Bacik the last night and she's hit a few nails on the head here too. Journalist, maybe not, commentator - pretty good. The very fact that she doesn't seem to think in the usual Irish journalistic way is probably her best asset.
 

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Save the trees and ink wells, the MSM Spinning Jenny is obsolete, the democratization of media has well begun.
And that is exactly the problem/issue.

Just like the printing press and Salons in Paris the internet is as yet fairly much a free for all. The consquences for social change are vast and unpredictable. But control of media outlets like TV and newspapers means little now. It is so easy to get your opinion out there now there really is no way that the genie can go back in the bottle.

A very complex legal and social web was required to control newpapers social effects. The same will take a long time to sort out on the net. There will always be a space for quality professionals in journalism but I cannot see a future for information control.

If anyone in the country now wants to make something known there is virtually nothing to stop them making it known. That is a massive change.
 

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It writes itself, really, doesn't it?

They'll probably throw in a reference to other heroic heavy drinkers of an Irish background.

"If there'd been twitter and gutter rats like Coveney back in 1990, there'd have been no Paul McGrath on that Irish team. We wouldn't have had half the team, or big Jack. We'll take big Jack over little Enda any day - or any morning - of the week. Rinse. Wash. Sneer. Repeat."
I am sure something about the IRA shooting children in 1923 will be brought into it as well.
 

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The words "Noel Whelan" should always be prefixed with "former Fianna Fáil activist and general election candidate"
 

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Whelan on PK this morning reminded me of the rant Kevin Keegan had on sky tv about Fegie

replace leeds and phyco with FG and coveney in clip

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXpUdBlRZe8]YouTube - Kevin Keegan Famous Rant - I will love it if we beat them![/ame]
 

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Fair dues to Sarah Carey. Whelan's views being presented ad nauseam as though he's an independent commentator when in fact he's a Fianna Fail activist and former candidate. Madam shoudl follow each of his columns with a statement to that effect. Whelan was one of the top earners from state briefs in the Four Courst last year. Madam should state that as well and give his exact earnings from the state.

It must be galling to all FFers that there now ways of bypassing the established media to alert people to the antics of politicians and especially this government. Get used to it boys, you're losing control of the spin game. The times they are a' changing.
 

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It writes itself, really, doesn't it?

They'll probably throw in a reference to other heroic heavy drinkers of an Irish background.

"If there'd been twitter and gutter rats like Coveney back in 1990, there'd have been no Paul McGrath on that Irish team. We wouldn't have had half the team, or big Jack. We'll take big Jack over little Enda any day - or any morning - of the week. Rinse. Wash. Sneer. Repeat."
We better not give them too many ideas. Probably also a reference to Lemass enjoying a drink as opposed to puritan Dev. I am aware that at least one of them reads our posts. I suppose Eoghan has gone away from the "we are all better off with decking and holiday homes in West Cork" syndrome.

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I suppose Eoghan has gone away from the "we are all better off with decking and holiday homes in West Cork" syndrome.
His recent articles have been more of a man evaluating his life and the time he has left than anything else.

Regards...jmcc
 

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The words "Noel Whelan" should always be prefixed with "former Fianna Fáil activist and general election candidate"
Almost:

The words "Noel Whelan" should always be prefixed with "Fianna Fáil activist and former general election candidate"
 

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The good news for FF is that there is help available, to bring them into the 21st Century. From a most unlikely source too.
 

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