When is an agreement not an agreement?

hollandia

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On this morning's Nolan Show, Edwin Poots of the DUP denies that the DUP agreed to an Irish Language Act despite being signatories to the St Andrews Agreement - making the startling accusation that it was snuck in under their noses by none other than Gerry Adams and Tony Blair.

Audio here:

https://audioboom.com/posts/5504150-we-never-agreed-to-an-irish-language-act-dup-mla-edwin-poots

This raises two important questions:

Did the DUP actually read the Agreement before they signed it - would they be that incompetent?
Why can the DUP not enact, in full, an agreement that they signed - can they be trusted again in negotiations?

I would imagine that there may also be the possibility of a lawsuit from a Mr A Blair....
 
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On this morning's Nolan Show, Edwin Poots of the DUP denies that the DUP agreed to an Irish Language Act despite being signatories to the St Andrews - making the startling accusation that it was snuck in under their noses by none other than Gerry Adams and Tony Blair.

Audio here:

https://audioboom.com/posts/5504150-we-never-agreed-to-an-irish-language-act-dup-mla-edwin-poots

This raises two important questions:

Did the DUP actually read the Agreement before they signed it - would they be that incompetent?
Why can the DUP not enact, in full, an agreement that they signed - can they be trusted again in negotiations?

I would imagine that there may also be the possibility of a lawsuit from a Mr A Blair....
It would seem to me that the all the DUPs chickens are coming home to roost!
In the past number of years we have had NAMA, RED SKY and now RHI, three of the biggest scandals that Stormont have faced. Who was responsible or at the very least complicit in these 'deals' DUP party members.

Now if it was down to incompetence in these three issues, that alone, should make people think twice about having them as representatives.
If it was down to cronyism and greed? That alone, should make people think twice about having them as representatives.

I honestly think that cannot be trusted again to have a major role in the running of the executive
 

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There's also the release of funds for inquests under fresh start and the long kesh development in which they've failed to deliver on their side.

SF are not looking for concessions but an enactment of past agreements.

It is obvious the DUP are not to be trusted and this has led us to the collapse of Stormont.

SF waited far too long to act and have only done so because they felt the earth moving beneath their feet in nationalist areas.
 

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Is the duppers beatch slapping the shinners really news anymore...
 

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Did the DUP actually read the Agreement before they signed it - would they be that incompetent?
Why can the DUP not enact, in full, an agreement that they signed - can they be trusted again in negotiations?
...
The DUP has no concerns about trust and justice as regards to those it considers part of "out-groups". Mind you as regards the "in-group" they are not the most moral but they at least believe they should act morally within it.
 

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Is the duppers beatch slapping the shinners really news anymore...
You respected the Shinners a lot more when they were all about blowing the whole place to bits as opposed to when they were trying to be conciliatory and constructive didn't you?
 

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You respected the Shinners a lot more when they were all about blowing the whole place to bits as opposed to when they were trying to be conciliatory and constructive didn't you?
No, moi's opinion of sf/ra has never changed...
 

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Poots was great today.
Can't wait for Blair to get wind of this one.
He and Adams stuck it on 'at the back' of the agreement.
Now where's that stapler?
You couldn't make what these orange bastards say up.
 

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Poots was great today.
Can't wait for Blair to get wind of this one.
He and Adams stuck it on 'at the back' of the agreement.
Now where's that stapler?
You could make these orange bastards up.
Tut tut lonely the elections is all about making things better for everyone, attitudes like yers are so 2016...
 

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Poots was great today.
Can't wait for Blair to get wind of this one.
He and Adams stuck it on 'at the back' of the agreement.
Now where's that stapler?
You couldn't make these orange bastards up.
I keep reminding my son when he's doing an exam to check all the pages, missing out the last page is easily done when you're an male adolescent, this is obviously the problem.
 

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Poots was great today.
Can't wait for Blair to get wind of this one.
He and Adams stuck it on 'at the back' of the agreement.
Now where's that stapler?
You couldn't make what these orange bastards say up.
Poots was even more outrageously stupid last night on UTV.

He claimed that the DUP could not release the names of RHI recipients because and I kid not - 'we are in receipt of Doctor notes stipulating the fragile mental state of some recipients and that to publish names would place them under too much stress'.
 

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SF should just stick DUP faces on their electoral posters across the north.
 

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FF don't need to run in the north when you have the DUP.....:D



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So the DUP either can't read or they don't check the documents they sign.

Now where have we heard that before?
 

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Erm - what EXACTLY was agreed at Saint Andrews?

Legislation wise, this is what I can find

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/53/section/15

Strategies relating to Irish language and Ulster Scots language etc


After section 28C of the 1998 Act insert—
“28D Strategies relating to Irish language and Ulster Scots language etc


(1)The Executive Committee shall adopt a strategy setting out how it proposes to enhance and protect the development of the Irish language.


(2)The Executive Committee shall adopt a strategy setting out how it proposes to enhance and develop the Ulster Scots language, heritage and culture.


(3)The Executive Committee—


(a)must keep under review each of the strategies; and


(b)may from time to time adopt a new strategy or revise a strategy.”
No mention of an irish Language Act, just "The Executive Committee shall adopt a strategy setting out how it proposes to enhance and protect the development of the Irish language."
 

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Erm - what EXACTLY was agreed at Saint Andrews?

Legislation wise, this is what I can find

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/53/section/15



No mention of an irish Language Act, just "The Executive Committee shall adopt a strategy setting out how it proposes to enhance and protect the development of the Irish language."
Read the St Andrews Agreement, ffs.

It is in Annex B:

The Government will introduce an Irish Language Act reflecting on the experience of Wales and Ireland and work with the incoming Executive to enhance and protect the development of the Irish language.
 

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Hmmmm - according to the agreement the Onus is on the Government, not the executive.

• The Government will introduce an Irish Language Act reflecting on the
experience of Wales and Ireland and work with the incoming Executive
to enhance and protect the development of the Irish language.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/136651/st_andrews_agreement-2.pdf

No mention of the DUP and/or the NI executive bringing in an Irish Language act, just a qualified promise by the British Government to introduce an act - but no specified time frame.
 

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Read the St Andrews Agreement, ffs.

It is in Annex B:
FFS yourself a chara :D No mention of the DUP and/or the NI executive bringing in an Irish Language act, just a qualified promise by the British Government to introduce an act - but no specified time frame.

The actual legislation regarding the obligations of the NI executive is very different ;)

Looks like PSF didn't realise what THEY were agreeing .....
 

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Erm - what EXACTLY was agreed at Saint Andrews?

Legislation wise, this is what I can find

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/53/section/15



No mention of an irish Language Act, just "The Executive Committee shall adopt a strategy setting out how it proposes to enhance and protect the development of the Irish language."
Legislation wise the Language Act has not been created so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
 


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