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Where can disillusioned Sinn Fein voters turn?


Cooperate for freedom

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If there is one thing i don't see covered much in the media it is the effects party policy on abortion has on party membership and indeed voting patterns.

In relation to Sinn Fein who have a core of very committed voters and members primarily concerned with full independence and unity, the impact of abortion policy is surely worth a few column inches.

The Mary-Lou wing and ignorance of northern issues by southern voters I feel has permitted the sidelining of the pro-life supporter of Sinn Fein.

Sinn Fein clearly took a decision NOT to grasp the opportunity to effectively close down the Marie Stopes private abortion clinic operating profitably no doubt in Belfast.

At the recent Ard Fheis they shot down a motion permitting a freedom of conscience vote in relation to abortion.

Mary Lou has completed yet another abortion friendly job on the Pat Kenny show speaking for women apparently.

Of course there are divergent views within Sinn Fein particularly in relation to the Donegal deputies and Peadar Toibin, but there can be no doubt that Sinn Fein will lose votes due to this issue.

The question is though: where does a left leaning, anti eu, independence and unification loving anti-consumerist pro-marriage and fundamentally opposed to abortion voter turn?
 
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If there is one thing i don't see covered much in the media it is the effects party policy on abortion has on party membership and indeed voting patterns.

In relation to Sinn Fein who have a core of very committed voters and members primarily concerned with full independence and unity, the impact of abortion policy is surely worth a few column inches.

The Mary-Lou wing and ignorance of northern issues by southern voters I feel has permitted the sidelining of the pro-life supporter of Sinn Fein.

Sinn Fein clearly took a decision NOT to take the grasp the opportunity to effectively close down the Marie Stopes private abortion clinic operating profitbly no doubt in Belfast.

At the recent Ard Fheis they shot down a motion permitting a freedom of conscience vote in relation to abortion.

Mary Lou has completed yet another abortion friendly job on the Pat Kenny show speaking for women apparently.

Of course there are divergent views within Sinn Fein particularly in relation to the Donegal deputies and Peadar Toibin, but there can be no doubt that Sinn Fein will lose votes.

The question is though: where does a left leaning, anti eu, independence and unification loving anti-consumerist pro-marriage anf fundamentally opposed to abortion voter turn?

No political party caters to all of a persons political opinions. if that happens, its very rare and isnt likely to last long. You decide what is most imnportant to you and you vote accordingly. If your opposition to women having the freedom to choose is such that you cant see yourself voting for Sinn Féin even though you're left leaning and hoping for a united Ireland then you vote accordingly. If you place most importance, politically speaking on stopping abortions then you should vote for a party against abortions. what does it matter if they are right wing or opposed to a UI. If you are hoping for a party to appear that is left leaning (apart from the right to choose and gay marriage, im assuming pro marriage, means anti gay marriage) who want a UI and are anti-consumerist to appear, i wouldnt hold out much hope, because i dont think there are enough of those voters arround. Personally speaking i think Sinn Féins stance is a bit wishy washy, mainly because a lot of their voter base are fairly religious. I think the membership however would be much more liberal and i would prefer they took a stronger pro choice position.
 

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This has a way to go yet,we have FG trying to placate it's supporters while Labour will have it as a red line issue.It will be trouble for all parties but burying the heads in the sand is gone.

It has to be legislation, the extravagantly paid deputies have nowhere to run.Can the minority lead the majority..... anything is possible in this State.
 

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I am sickened by Sinn Fein not meeting the Dalai Lama when he was in Derry. There is an upcoming trade mission to China so Sinn Fein doesn't want to upset them.

The parrallels with Tibet are clearly lost on them and/or solidarity goes out the window when money is invovled.
 

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Although I make every effort to avoid doing so and have never actually not voted, abstaining or spoiling is a respectable choice. If you cannot bring yourself to give someone a vote, then don't feel like you have to. I made my choice based on the least of 8 or 9 evils the last time out and gave one to Clare Daly. I also voted for her. Didn't agree with most actual socialist policies but they were right on one or two big issues. That was enough for me. Next time out that might change.
 

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If there is one thing i don't see covered much in the media it is the effects party policy on abortion has on party membership and indeed voting patterns.

In relation to Sinn Fein who have a core of very committed voters and members primarily concerned with full independence and unity, the impact of abortion policy is surely worth a few column inches.

The Mary-Lou wing and ignorance of northern issues by southern voters I feel has permitted the sidelining of the pro-life supporter of Sinn Fein.

Sinn Fein clearly took a decision NOT to grasp the opportunity to effectively close down the Marie Stopes private abortion clinic operating profitably no doubt in Belfast.

At the recent Ard Fheis they shot down a motion permitting a freedom of conscience vote in relation to abortion.

Mary Lou has completed yet another abortion friendly job on the Pat Kenny show speaking for women apparently.

Of course there are divergent views within Sinn Fein particularly in relation to the Donegal deputies and Peadar Toibin, but there can be no doubt that Sinn Fein will lose votes due to this issue.

The question is though: where does a left leaning, anti eu, independence and unification loving anti-consumerist pro-marriage and fundamentally opposed to abortion voter turn?
The above could be translated about any of the Irish mainstream political party at present. Seems to me a handy way of attacking SF.
 

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If you are voting for Sinn Fein you are probably already disillusioned. :eek:
 

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I confess to being rather puzzled at the notion of a left-leaning anti-imperialist progressive voter....who is also vehemently opposed to a woman's right to choose so much that they would prefer to vote for right-wing imperialist parties in order to stop abortion.

Do these people actually exist in any significant numbers? And is it not the case that such totally confused and incoherent voters should probably just be quietly ignored and let go on their way, rather than pandered to?
 

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Bad printing job on the tee-shirts.....half of it is missing.
 

Ren84

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If there is one thing i don't see covered much in the media it is the effects party policy on abortion has on party membership and indeed voting patterns.

In relation to Sinn Fein who have a core of very committed voters and members primarily concerned with full independence and unity, the impact of abortion policy is surely worth a few column inches.

The Mary-Lou wing and ignorance of northern issues by southern voters I feel has permitted the sidelining of the pro-life supporter of Sinn Fein.

Sinn Fein clearly took a decision NOT to grasp the opportunity to effectively close down the Marie Stopes private abortion clinic operating profitably no doubt in Belfast.

At the recent Ard Fheis they shot down a motion permitting a freedom of conscience vote in relation to abortion.

Mary Lou has completed yet another abortion friendly job on the Pat Kenny show speaking for women apparently.

Of course there are divergent views within Sinn Fein particularly in relation to the Donegal deputies and Peadar Toibin, but there can be no doubt that Sinn Fein will lose votes due to this issue.

The question is though: where does a left leaning, anti eu, independence and unification loving anti-consumerist pro-marriage and fundamentally opposed to abortion voter turn?
No such party exist anywhere in the world. :roll:
 

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This has a way to go yet,we have FG trying to placate it's supporters while Labour will have it as a red line issue.It will be trouble for all parties but burying the heads in the sand is gone.

It has to be legislation, the extravagantly paid deputies have nowhere to run.Can the minority lead the majority..... anything is possible in this State.
If I was SF (and I am at the other end of the spectrum), I'd be saying not a lot about this. Just enough to get the reporter to take the microphone away...

Worst subject to have to deal with in govt. period.

Labour and ULA are the only consistent Pro-choice parties. FF are probably the only consistently Anti-abortion party.

SF and FG finally have something in common....
 

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If I was SF (and I am at the other end of the spectrum), I'd be saying not a lot about this. Just enough to get the reporter to take the microphone away...

Worst subject to have to deal with in govt. period.

Labour and ULA are the only consistent Pro-choice parties. FF are probably the only consistently Anti-abortion party.

SF and FG finally have something in common....
No they're not. Their position is based on public opinion. FF - the populist, sleveen party.
 

InsideImDancing

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SF are calling for legislation as opposed to burying their heads in the sand. Surely no one thinks that their can be no legislation?
 

friendlyfire

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If I was SF (and I am at the other end of the spectrum), I'd be saying not a lot about this. Just enough to get the reporter to take the microphone away...

Worst subject to have to deal with in govt. period.

Labour and ULA are the only consistent Pro-choice parties. FF are probably the only consistently Anti-abortion party.

SF and FG finally have something in common....

But....FG have to bring this to a conclusion.

And I agree it is a minefield.
 

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I was a SF member for a while....i quit over abortion....never thought i would be in this position after supporting them for 20 years, but now i'm a floating voter, don't really know who to turn to, probably FF if i were still living in Donegal :cry: unless there was a decent independent republican candidate. Disillusioned. I know there are plenty of other members who aren't happy with the party's position either. Now living in the North and tbh the DUP would get a preference over SF. Shheesshh, can't believe i just said that but its true none the less.
 
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'orebel

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The question is though: where does a left leaning, anti eu, independence and unification loving anti-consumerist pro-marriage and fundamentally opposed to abortion voter turn?
Pro-marriage? Like, as opposed to the anti-marriage crowd?

Perhaps you should start your own party.
 

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I was a SF member for a while....i quit over abortion....never thought i would be in this position after supporting them for 20 years, but now i'm a floating voter, don't really know who to turn to. Disillusioned.
Are SF pro-abortion, or pro-legislation?
 

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