Where does my tax go?

hollandia

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One of the common themes running through P.ie is the "I don't want my hard earned tax spent on dole spongers/immigrants/foreign aid/spin doctoring/legal fees for fat cat lawyers* (delete as appropriate)" trope. The government publishes it's headline expenditure figures each year, and these are available on the website https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/

For example this year (2018): the total govt expenditure of €72.5bn is broken down as follows:

Social Welfare: €20bn
Health: €15.33bn
Education: €10.09bn
Justice: €2.58bn
Agriculture €1.53bn
Debt Servicing/EU Payments €10.78bn
Transport: €2bn
Other: €10.2bn

On the whole we can see that SW, Education, Health and Debt Payments account for 77.5% of total government expenditure.

The social protection breakdown makes for interesting reading:

Only 21% of the €20bn budget goes on income support, whilst almost double that - 38.7% goes on pensions.



Damn aged spongers, eh?

The health budget is somewhat unsurprising, with the HSE sucking up fully 2/3 of the money.



What is striking here is lack of capital investment. Make do and mend seems to be the order of the day.

A Similar Story again in education:



No significant capital expenditure.

On Debt Servicing, we spend €6.29bn - almost two thirds as much as we spend on the HSE.



P.iesters, your thoughts on the spread of money? Are we spending too much on health, not enough on justice ect? Are we wasting money in particular areas?

You can also drill down into the figures by clicking on each bar in the graphs on the website. Well worth a perusal.
 


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Where is the €25 Billion that is spent on pay, perks and pensions for the insiders?

Or the additional €600 Billion that will be going in pay, perks and pensions from this year on?
 

hollandia

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Where is the €25 Billion that is spent on pay, perks and pensions for the insiders?

Or the additional €600 Billion that will be going in pay, perks and pensions from this year on?
"other"
 

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One of the common themes running through P.ie is the "I don't want my hard earned tax spent on dole spongers/immigrants/foreign aid/spin doctoring/legal fees for fat cat lawyers* (delete as appropriate)" trope. The government publishes it's headline expenditure figures each year, and these are available on the website https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/

For example this year (2018): the total govt expenditure of €72.5bn is broken down as follows:

Social Welfare: €20bn
Health: €15.33bn
Education: €10.09bn
Justice: €2.58bn
Agriculture €1.53bn
Debt Servicing/EU Payments €10.78bn
Transport: €2bn
Other: €10.2bn

On the whole we can see that SW, Education, Health and Debt Payments account for 77.5% of total government expenditure.

The social protection breakdown makes for interesting reading:

Only 21% of the €20bn budget goes on income support, whilst almost double that - 38.7% goes on pensions.



Damn aged spongers, eh?

The health budget is somewhat unsurprising, with the HSE sucking up fully 2/3 of the money.



What is striking here is lack of capital investment. Make do and mend seems to be the order of the day.

A Similar Story again in education:



No significant capital expenditure.

On Debt Servicing, we spend €6.29bn - almost two thirds as much as we spend on the HSE.



P.iesters, your thoughts on the spread of money? Are we spending too much on health, not enough on justice ect? Are we wasting money in particular areas?

You can also drill down into the figures by clicking on each bar in the graphs on the website. Well worth a perusal.
A good argument for euthanizing the pensioners.
 

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One of the common themes running through P.ie is the "I don't want my hard earned tax spent on dole spongers/immigrants/foreign aid/spin doctoring/legal fees for fat cat lawyers* (delete as appropriate)" trope. The government publishes it's headline expenditure figures each year, and these are available on the website https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/
Yeah bit... immigrants. Innit.
 

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P.iesters, your thoughts on the spread of money? Are we spending too much on health, not enough on justice etc.?
We're not spending a fraction of what we should on health.

Our taxes are still going to bankers and elites as a pat on the back for their failures. FF and FG are at fault, as are the Labour and Green subs benches.
 

hollandia

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We're not spending a fraction of what we should on health.

Our taxes are still going to bankers and elites as a pat on the back for their failures. FF and FG are at fault, as are the Labour and Green subs benches.
What in your opinion should be the proportion spent on health - do we need to spend more or drive for efficiencies?
 

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One of the common themes running through P.ie is the "I don't want my hard earned tax spent on dole spongers/immigrants/foreign aid/spin doctoring/legal fees for fat cat lawyers* (delete as appropriate)" trope. The government publishes it's headline expenditure figures each year, and these are available on the website https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/

For example this year (2018): the total govt expenditure of €72.5bn is broken down as follows:

Social Welfare: €20bn
Health: €15.33bn
Education: €10.09bn
Justice: €2.58bn
Agriculture €1.53bn
Debt Servicing/EU Payments €10.78bn
Transport: €2bn
Other: €10.2bn

On the whole we can see that SW, Education, Health and Debt Payments account for 77.5% of total government expenditure.

The social protection breakdown makes for interesting reading:

Only 21% of the €20bn budget goes on income support, whilst almost double that - 38.7% goes on pensions.



Damn aged spongers, eh?

The health budget is somewhat unsurprising, with the HSE sucking up fully 2/3 of the money.



What is striking here is lack of capital investment. Make do and mend seems to be the order of the day.

A Similar Story again in education:



No significant capital expenditure.

On Debt Servicing, we spend €6.29bn - almost two thirds as much as we spend on the HSE.



P.iesters, your thoughts on the spread of money? Are we spending too much on health, not enough on justice ect? Are we wasting money in particular areas?

You can also drill down into the figures by clicking on each bar in the graphs on the website. Well worth a perusal.
Would need to benchmark against other countries and then specifically the ones one would consider good examples of how to run a society.

First glance at graphs, why cant I see for Health and Education a break down in expenditure types like eg Payroll.

Anyone has European comparison of % payroll of total Health and Education budget?
 

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As was said when the crash came:

Socialise the losses - Privatise the profits.

You are mainly subsidising very wealthy people and corporate business paying little or no tax and PAYE workers are shouldering the burden.
 

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Good op.

While those charts don't get into the nitty gritty, that do what they say and give us an idea what our money goes on.


A step on from that is from each department showing us how that is spent in greater detail, and Social Welfare and the HSE provide a lot of detail on that.


Below that again is the individualised cost elements, which are not as easily available or readable.


The departments also detail in their budgets with how much will go on pay and pensions.


Debt serving , if it was a dept. in its own right would have 4th largest budget, but thankfully it never reached the heights projected back in 2010-2012.
 

hollandia

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Would need to benchmark against other countries and then specifically the ones one would consider good examples of how to run a society.

First glance at graphs, why cant I see for Health and Education a break down in expenditure types like eg Payroll.

Anyone has European comparison of % payroll of total Health and Education budget?
Did you go on the website?

 

hollandia

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Good op.

While those charts don't get into the nitty gritty, that do what they say and give us an idea what our money goes on.


A step on from that is from each department showing us how that is spent in greater detail, and Social Welfare and the HSE provide a lot of detail on that.


Below that again is the individualised cost elements, which are not as easily available or readable.


The departments also detail in their budgets with how much will go on pay and pensions.


Debt serving , if it was a dept. in its own right would have 4th largest budget, but thankfully it never reached the heights projected back in 2010-2012.
You can get into some of the nitty gritty from those charts via the website, by clicking on each bar. The level of detail varies, but you can see the education on above.
 

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One of the common themes running through P.ie is the "I don't want my hard earned tax spent on dole spongers/immigrants/foreign aid/spin doctoring/legal fees for fat cat lawyers* (delete as appropriate)" trope. The government publishes it's headline expenditure figures each year, and these are available on the website https://whereyourmoneygoes.gov.ie/en/

For example this year (2018): the total govt expenditure of €72.5bn is broken down as follows:

Social Welfare: €20bn
Health: €15.33bn
Education: €10.09bn
Justice: €2.58bn
Agriculture €1.53bn
Debt Servicing/EU Payments €10.78bn
Transport: €2bn
Other: €10.2bn

On the whole we can see that SW, Education, Health and Debt Payments account for 77.5% of total government expenditure.

The social protection breakdown makes for interesting reading:

Only 21% of the €20bn budget goes on income support, whilst almost double that - 38.7% goes on pensions.



Damn aged spongers, eh?

The health budget is somewhat unsurprising, with the HSE sucking up fully 2/3 of the money.



What is striking here is lack of capital investment. Make do and mend seems to be the order of the day.

A Similar Story again in education:



No significant capital expenditure.

On Debt Servicing, we spend €6.29bn - almost two thirds as much as we spend on the HSE.



P.iesters, your thoughts on the spread of money? Are we spending too much on health, not enough on justice ect? Are we wasting money in particular areas?

You can also drill down into the figures by clicking on each bar in the graphs on the website. Well worth a perusal.
11bn plus on welfare excluding pensions.

Would love to see a breakdown on illness and disability.

Very good OP.
 


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