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Where now for Loyalists?


Figaroni

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"Loyalists should not get drawn onto the terrain of equality which serves Sinn Fein interests, but instead advocate inclusivity. Loyalists cannot talk meaningfully about equality in comparable terms to Sinn Fein. No, the way into the debate about what loyalism can do to underpin peace and find a purposeful role in the ‘post-conflict’ environment can come from trying to reclaim the concepts of inclusivity and ‘a shared future’. This requires using each not just for loyalists but for all"
Need for loyalist engagement - Local - Belfast Newsletter

Interesting article, but the authors fail to recognise that Loyalists, especially in Belfast, have thrown their lot in with the Orange Order and the marching bands. Senior Unionist politicians jumped on this bandwagon over the summer to give the impression that Loyalists/Unionists need to stand together to face a "threat to their culture". Hence the DUP will scoop their votes.

Some marches no longer take place and Unionist/Loyalist culture has not collapsed, but it's handy to get the plebs (to quote an ex tory whip) excited.

You cannot reclaim the concepts of inclusivity and a shared future if the politicians, paramilitary leaders and loyal orders never claimed to believe in them in the first place.

Left wing politics does not sit well with the right wing views of the Loyal Orders and Unionism.
 

PO'Neill

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"Loyalists should not get drawn onto the terrain of equality which serves Sinn Fein interests, but instead advocate inclusivity. Loyalists cannot talk meaningfully about equality in comparable terms to Sinn Fein. No, the way into the debate about what loyalism can do to underpin peace and find a purposeful role in the ‘post-conflict’ environment can come from trying to reclaim the concepts of inclusivity and ‘a shared future’. This requires using each not just for loyalists but for all"
Need for loyalist engagement - Local - Belfast Newsletter

Interesting article, but the authors fail to recognise that Loyalists, especially in Belfast, have thrown their lot in with the Orange Order and the marching bands. Senior Unionist politicians jumped on this bandwagon over the summer to give the impression that Loyalists/Unionists need to stand together to face a "threat to their culture". Hence the DUP will scoop their votes.

Some marches no longer take place and Unionist/Loyalist culture has not collapsed, but it's handy to get the plebs (to quote an ex tory whip) excited.

You cannot reclaim the concepts of inclusivity and a shared future if the politicians, paramilitary leaders and loyal orders never claimed to believe in them in the first place.

Left wing politics does not sit well with the right wing views of the Loyal Orders and Unionism.
You've hit the nail on the head. Unionsim/loyalism cannot get away from it's sectarian roots. Always has been the way, always will be the way.

"I suppose I am about as high up in the Orange Institution as anybody else. I am very proud indeed to be Grand Master of the loyal County of Down. I have filled that office many years, and I prize that far more than I do being Prime Minister. I have always said I am an Orangeman first and a politician and Member of this Parliament afterwards. ... The Hon. Member must remember that in the South they boasted of a Catholic State. They still boast of Sourthern Ireland being a Catholic State. All I boast is that we are a Protestant Parliament and Protestant State."
James Craig, Unionist Party, then Prime Minister of Northern Ireland, 24 April 1934

 

Global Justice

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Their views and outlook are the antithesis of inclusivity. Loyalism is based on exclusivity, and the illusion of victim/siege mentality.

SF and Irish republicanism has progressed, evolved and modernised, while loyalists are still stuck in the trenches filled with bigotry.

They think that trying to get them to become more civilised and more respectful is an attack on their "culture" :rolleyes: The lack of leadership within loyalism is astounding.
 

Ren84

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Where now for Loyalists? Larne Port? :cool:






I jest of course. :)
 

eskrimador

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The loyalsists have zero to offer but sectarianism and their only way to stay in the game is to stoke trouble, ably abetted by elements of the loyal orders and many unionist politicians.

They try to portray themselves as a reflection of Sinn Fein but today, they are more comparable to the loonier element of dissident republicanism. In fairness to the majority of loyalists, they did not return any of them to the assembly last time because, despite the best efforts of the MSM and the police, people in the area know the truth. They are a bunch of thugs who have been over indulged and use the threat of a return to sectarian violence to get their childish was eg. How they reacted to their wee pub being confiscated by painting childish messages all over it.

These guys belong in Maghaberry, not Stormont
 

former wesleyan

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The Hon. Member must remember that in the South they boasted of a Catholic State. They still boast of Sourthern Ireland being a Catholic State. All I boast is that we are a Protestant Parliament and Protestant State."
James Craig, Unionist Party, then Prime Minister of Northern Ireland, 24 April 1934
True dat.
 

vivabrigada

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Winkie Ervine, who was left to be the spokesman for Loyalism/Unionism after the mass breach of the parades commission determination on "black" Saturday has said that the UVF can't go away because it has a "corporate identity"!

In the name of good f**k, is this all they have to offer?

Working class loyalists have been used and abused by the OO and big house Unionism for centuries.

Ironically, it was Paisley who helped bring them down, now the DUP do the same.
 

Ren84

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So the UVF are registered in the Company's Office and pay tax? By royal appointment so. Corporate identity me hole. Another load of steaming sh!t by loyalism. :roll:
 

Global Justice

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Winkie Ervine, who was left to be the spokesman for Loyalism/Unionism after the mass breach of the parades commission determination on "black" Saturday has said that the UVF can't go away because it has a "corporate identity"!
I read that in absolute disbelief last night.

winker Irvine either means the racketeering, extortion and drug dealing aspect of the UVF, or because the UVF and loyalism as a whole see the UVF as just a continuation and the same grouping of the 1912 UV, in which they sell many a memorabilia that more than implies this, with the same symbols etc., or maybe as Ren says, it's just another load of steaming sh!t by loyalism.

It's quite frankly pathetic.
 

longmarch

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The amount of Loyalists on here really surprises me. I've read a lot of you the wrong way
 

SgtBilko

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Lol at the deluded straw clutchers on this thread.

Where now for Loyalists? Same place as always.... tomorrow, just like yesterday, we all (Republican & Loyalist) wake up in the UK.

That hurts, doesn't it? Lovely.

lol
 

Glaucon

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Lol at the deluded straw clutchers on this thread.

Where now for Loyalists? Same place as always.... tomorrow, just like yesterday, we all (Republican & Loyalist) wake up in the UK.

That hurts, doesn't it? Lovely.

lol
If all Loyalism were about was remaining in the UK, then “Loyalists” would no longer exist.
If you are making the case that as Northern Ireland remains part of the UK, then “Loyalists”, by definition, should disappear, I think most people would agree with you.

It’d certainly be a big benefit for Catholics to no longer have to endure their unwanted marches every year.
 

Global Justice

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Lol at the deluded straw clutchers on this thread.

Where now for Loyalists? Same place as always.... tomorrow, just like yesterday, we all (Republican & Loyalist) wake up in the UK.

That hurts, doesn't it? Lovely.

lol
Fair enough so.

Just you lot don't ever complain about being left behind and being 'unfairly' criticised and despised.

Your attitude sums you lot up. You've made your bed, so sleep in it, PrivateDoberman :)
 

InsideImDancing

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Lol at the deluded straw clutchers on this thread.

Where now for Loyalists? Same place as always.... tomorrow, just like yesterday, we all (Republican & Loyalist) wake up in the UK.

That hurts, doesn't it? Lovely.

lol
You'll wake up in Ireland. Facto, you love it Bilko, back of the bus for you!
 

InsideImDancing

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The best road for Loyalism is anti-sectarianism, they can make it happen on the ground.
 

Portadown madman

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What would your advice be to your fellow loyalists about how to move on and progress?
You've got some feckin nerve asking someone how his community should move on and progress. all you do is scream feckin oppression, 2nd class citizens and still call NI occupied.

Feckin LOL
 

Global Justice

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You've got some feckin nerve asking someone how his community should move on and progress. all you do is scream feckin oppression, 2nd class citizens and still call NI occupied.

Feckin LOL
Why did you, as usual, fail to address the OP? Too uncomfortable and awkward for you to admit the truth and to get your head out of your arse?

As for me, I want a civil and common sense society, with no bigotry or extremism. That, my friend, is in complete contrast to you and your ilk.
 
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