Which Sector is more important, Public or Private?

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I'm not really sure I understand the logic of this thread. Provision of core public services are not by in large money making ventures. How is it proposed that the private sector operate this? Are we talking about outsourcing here?
 

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I'm not really sure I understand the logic of this thread. Provision of core public services are not by in large money making ventures. How is it proposed that the private sector operate this? Are we talking about outsourcing here?
Outsourcing.. what do you mean?
 

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I was trying to figure out which sector is actually more important, the public or private sector?

Leaving Government aside.....

If we had no private sector then all services would be provided by the state, Which runs a perpetual budget deficit system. It would be pointless having a income tax system because you would have to borrow the money, to pay staff, then pay back interest on the money, after you'd witheld this 'tax' from your employees. After a few years the deficit would be huge. So when you borrow more every year to keep this system going, then economically, a system such as this makes zero sense.
The cost of the public service is a huge economic burden on our country.

If we had no public sector, then all of the services would have to be provided by the private sector. Not so bad as the private sector has to run a budget surplus system or go out of business in time. The extra money the private sector brings in can be taxed.
There is no profit to be had from looking after anybody who cannot pay for essential services themselves. Whether it be health, public transport, whatever The poor and the sick would suffer.
The cost of the private sector is a huge social burden on our country.

On balance what is the best solution?

It is clear the only feasible and possible solution that is both economically and socially fair is to have a public service that runs a budget surplus.

If the government gets tax from the private sector and invests it to fund public services that would ultimately generate profit, then the vulnerable can still be looked after by the state AND we have a profitable Private sector with very little social burden in Ireland.

So it is time the government rethinks how we do business and aims for budget surpluses instead of budget deficits.

Why do we assume we have to work on a deficit system?
Idiotic
 

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Both the exclusive public and the exclusive private sector scenarios are hypothetical scenarios.
The obvious conclusions drawn are based on Hypothetical scenarios.

The practical and sustainable economic and social solution lies somewhere in between the conclusions drawn. The point of the thread is simply to discuss a solution.

It helps to read things in the context in which they're meant.
Harry Potter is hypothetical as well
 

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Trolltastic thread to try to get people fighting. As if there weren't enough of that already.

FAIL
Unfortunately, that's a generous interpretation of the OP.
 

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Paidín was born on Inis Airgead a Lán, fadó fadó.

Paidín's family grew enough potatoes and vegetables to live comfortably. One day Paidín and his Dad decided to cut down 14 trees growing on the island. They fashioned them into a boat and took to the sea. Their catches of fish were traded on the mainland for turf, tea and sugar. One day Mr. Public Sector approached the two and asked were they paying tax?

Paidín asked his Dad, "what is tax"? "Tax", said Dad, "is an invention whereby some of what we produce is used to pay Mr. Public Sector's wages".

"And why should we be doin that", said the bould Paidín?

"Well", said his Dad, "if Mammy needs help havin your baby brother or sister, we will be able to bring her to a thing called a 'hospital' on the mainland, and that will cost us nothing, because we are not just paying this man's wages, we are also paying for the wages of the people in the hospital who will help us when we need it".

"So, that's like a meitheal", asked Paidín?

"Yes it is", said Daidí, "except we pay with the work we do".

"Sounds fair enough to me" said Paidín, let's go do some more fishing!

Not half a mile out to sea, Paidín asked his Dad, "will they be fair about how much work we have to do?"

"That depends on our honesty", said Dad, "and also, their honesty. A fish won't survive with one gill."
 

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And why did that happen. antitrust **cough**
It was a political decision. Microsoft did not obtain a monopoly and we do not know what would have happened if their wasnt intervention. Apple sales was increasing at the time.

Paidín was born on Inis Airgead a Lán, fadó fadó.

Paidín's family grew enough potatoes and vegetables to live comfortably. One day Paidín and his Dad decided to cut down 14 trees growing on the island. They fashioned them into a boat and took to the sea. Their catches of fish were traded on the mainland for turf, tea and sugar. One day Mr. Public Sector approached the two and asked were they paying tax?

Paidín asked his Dad, "what is tax"? "Tax", said Dad, "is an invention whereby some of what we produce is used to pay Mr. Public Sector's wages".

"And why should we be doin that", said the bould Paidín?

"Well", said his Dad, "if Mammy needs help havin your baby brother or sister, we will be able to bring her to a thing called a 'hospital' on the mainland, and that will cost us nothing, because we are not just paying this man's wages, we are also paying for the wages of the people in the hospital who will help us when we need it".

"So, that's like a meitheal", asked Paidín?

"Yes it is", said Daidí, "except we pay with the work we do".

"Sounds fair enough to me" said Paidín, let's go do some more fishing!

Not half a mile out to sea, Paidín asked his Dad, "will they be fair about how much work we have to do?"

"That depends on our honesty", said Dad, "and also, their honesty. A fish won't survive with one gill."
I dont get the purpose of that story.
 

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It was a political decision. Microsoft did not obtain a monopoly and we do not know what would have happened if their wasnt intervention. Apple sales was increasing at the time.
Fact is Microsoft were trying to monopolise the web browser market by integrating internet explorer into the windows operating system. They were prevented to do so by the state.

We are seeing a repeat of this recently with Apple refusing to have Flash apps on their own devices. Thankfully we will see Android based flash apps in the future to counter the cock-block that Apple are trying to implement.

Valve and the Steam distribution system are in the early stages of this monopolisation process too.
 


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