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I have often wondered why the mainstream-media always considers the so-called white flight from areas where immigrants are settling in in large numbers as something very undesirable. If you read between the lines of such reporting you can see that the white flight is considered somehow offensive, people rather move out of their neighbourhood than live with the newcomers.

Are the newcomers offended? Most often they are not. Why should they be? It is easier for them as the area becomes inhabited by people of their own culture by as high a percentage as possible. White flight is only a problem for the liberal left-wing who harbour some silly ideas of living together side by side etc.

White flight is undesirable in the sense that when people have got property in a certain area, the value of the property plummets when the area becomes too "international". Therefore it is only understandable that people sell while they still can get something out of their property as a year later that money could be considerably less. Some areas of London have undergone a total ethnic change in less than 20 years or so.
 


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I hope this thread is not sent to the zoo, as the zoo now has a nice collection of interesting and informative threads.
 

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Why are these serious attacks by 4 Black youths on passersby in Temple Bar last weekend only being reported tonight? Ridiculous double standard
Gardai investigate Temple Bar attacks - The Irish Times - Fri, Oct 15, 2010
You will see a major surge in black violence, the Africans when they move to a European country do tend to become the instigators for a lot of violence.

That's the only conclusion i can reach on reading the following article... (the alternative is to believe that Britain (PC land as it is) is one of the most racist countries in the world and these people are innocent), the study was commissioned by an equality quango who start off with the basic principle that there is nothing about blacks more likely to make them violent and then work from there - naturally assuming that they are in prison because Britain is not 'fair' or deprivation - the deprivation argument does not wash, look at Glasgow, they are white and tend not to occupy a role in criminality like this.

More black people jailed in England and Wales proportionally than in US | Society | The Guardian

I would support not letting them in, to be honest... Based on statistics like these.

I would feel the same if they were red, yellow whatever.
 

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I have often wondered why the mainstream-media always considers the so-called white flight from areas where immigrants are settling in in large numbers as something very undesirable. If you read between the lines of such reporting you can see that the white flight is considered somehow offensive, people rather move out of their neighbourhood than live with the newcomers.

Are the newcomers offended? Most often they are not. Why should they be? It is easier for them as the area becomes inhabited by people of their own culture by as high a percentage as possible. White flight is only a problem for the liberal left-wing who harbour some silly ideas of living together side by side etc.

White flight is undesirable in the sense that when people have got property in a certain area, the value of the property plummets when the area becomes too "international". Therefore it is only understandable that people sell while they still can get something out of their property as a year later that money could be considerably less. Some areas of London have undergone a total ethnic change in less than 20 years or so.
Wonder how it all compares with unionists moving out of places like South Belfast.
 

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I have often wondered why the mainstream-media always considers the so-called white flight from areas where immigrants are settling in in large numbers as something very undesirable. If you read between the lines of such reporting you can see that the white flight is considered somehow offensive, people rather move out of their neighbourhood than live with the newcomers.

Are the newcomers offended? Most often they are not. Why should they be? It is easier for them as the area becomes inhabited by people of their own culture by as high a percentage as possible. White flight is only a problem for the liberal left-wing who harbour some silly ideas of living together side by side etc.

White flight is undesirable in the sense that when people have got property in a certain area, the value of the property plummets when the area becomes too "international". Therefore it is only understandable that people sell while they still can get something out of their property as a year later that money could be considerably less. Some areas of London have undergone a total ethnic change in less than 20 years or so.
A sensible, rational post on the problems to be expected following mass immigration.
 

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(the alternative is to believe that Britain (PC land as it is) is one of the most racist countries in the world .
If you'd been Irish there in the 70s I'd be inclined to take your pisspoor arguments more seriously.

I, by the way, was there in the 70s, when the racism I got was only daisies in a bulls puss towards what earlier generations had received.
 

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I do remember when in Copenhagen a few years ago talking to Danes about how shocked they were at faction fights between various Somali clans on the Stroget.
Ancient tribal rivalries were not left at home.
At least we don't have this problem in Ireland, yet.
 

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You will see a major surge in black violence, the Africans when they move to a European country do tend to become the instigators for a lot of violence.

That's the only conclusion i can reach on reading the following article... (the alternative is to believe that Britain (PC land as it is) is one of the most racist countries in the world
Said Frederick Engels......

......."Let us hear Thomas Carlyle upon this subject:

"The wild Milesian features, looking false ingenuity, restlessness, unreason, misery, and mockery, salute you on all highways and byways. The English coachman, as he whirls past, lashes the Milesian with his whip, curses him with his tongue; the Milesian is holding out his hat to beg. He is the sorest evil this country has to strive with. In his rags and laughing savagery, he is there to undertake all work that can be done by mere strength of hand and back -- for wages that will purchase him potatoes. He needs only salt for condiment, he lodges to his mind in any pig-hutch or dog-hutch, roosts in outhouses, and wears a suit of tatters, the getting on and off of which is said to be a difficult operation, transacted only in festivals and the high tides of the calendar. The Saxon-man, if he cannot work on these terms, finds no work.

The uncivilised Irishman, not by his strength, but by the opposite of strength, drives the Saxon native out, takes possession in his room. There abides he, in his squalor and unreason, in his falsity and drunken violence, as the ready-made nucleus of degradation and disorder. Whoever struggles, swimming with difficulty, may now find an example how the human being can exist not swimming, but sunk.... That the condition of the lower multitude of English labourers approximates more and more to that of the Irish, competing with them in all the markets: that whatsoever labour, to which mere strength with little skill will suffice, is to be done, will be done not at the English price, but at an approximation to the Irish price; at a price superior as yet to the Irish, that is, superior to scarcity of potatoes for thirty weeks yearly; superior, yet hourly, with the arrival of every new steamboat, sinking nearer to an equality with that."

(Engels continued) "If we except his exaggerated and one-sided condemnation of the Irish national character, Carlyle is perfectly right. These Irishmen who migrate for fourpence to England, on the deck of a steamship on which they are often packed like cattle, insinuate themselves everywhere. The worst dwellings are good enough for them; their clothing causes them little trouble, so long as it holds together by a single thread; shoes they know not; their food consists of potatoes and potatoes only; whatever they earn beyond these needs they spend upon drink. What does such a race want with high wages? The worst quarters of all the large towns are inhabited by Irishmen. Whenever a district is distinguished for especial filth and especial ruinousness, the explorer may safely count upon meeting chiefly those Celtic faces which one recognises at the first glance as different from the Saxon physiognomy of the native, and the singing, aspirate brogue which the true Irishman never loses. I have occasionally heard the Irish-Celtic language spoken in the most thickly populated parts of Manchester. The majority of the families who live in cellars are almost everywhere of Irish origin. In short, the Irish have, as Dr. Kay says, discovered the minimum of the necessities of life, and are now making the English workers acquainted with it. Filth and drunkenness, too, they have brought with them. The lack of cleanliness, which is not so injurious in the country, where population is scattered, and which is the Irishman's second nature, becomes terrifying and gravely dangerous through its concentration here in the great cities. The Milesian deposits all garbage and filth before his house door here, as he was accustomed to do at home, and so accumulates the pools and dirt-heaps which disfigure the working- people's quarters and poison the air. He builds a pig-sty against the house wall as he did at home, and if he is prevented from doing this, he lets the pig sleep in the room with himself. This new and unnatural method of cattle-raising in cities is wholly of Irish origin. The Irishman loves his pig as the Arab his horse, with the difference that he sells it when it is fat enough to kill. Otherwise, he eats and sleeps with it, his children play with it, ride upon it, roll in the dirt with it, as any one may see a thousand times repeated in all the great towns of England. The filth and comfortlessness that prevail in the houses themselves it is impossible to describe. The Irishman is unaccustomed to the presence of furniture; a heap of straw, a few rags, utterly beyond use as clothing, suffice for his nightly couch. A piece of wood, a broken chair, an old chest for a table, more he needs not; a tea-kettle, a few pots and dishes, equip his kitchen, which is also his sleeping and living room. When he is in want of fuel, everything combustible within his reach, chairs, door-posts, mouldings, flooring, finds its way up the chimney. Moreover, why should he need much room? At home in his mud-cabin there was only one room for all domestic purposes; more than one room his family does not need in England. So the custom of crowding many persons into a single room, now so universal, has been chiefly implanted by the Irish immigration. And since the poor devil must have one enjoyment, and society has shut him out of all others, he betakes himself to the drinking of spirits. Drink is the only thing which makes the Irishman's life worth having, drink and his cheery care-free temperament; so he revels in drink to the point of the most bestial drunkenness. The southern facile character of the Irishman, his crudity, which places him but little above the savage, his contempt for all humane enjoyments, in which his very crudeness makes him incapable of sharing, his filth and poverty, all favour drunkenness. The temptation is great, he cannot resist it, and so when he has money he gets rid of it down his throat. What else should he do? How can society blame him when it places him in a position in which he almost of necessity becomes a drunkard; when it leaves him to himself, to his savagery?"

So what to make of all that I wonder. Seems all the things you're saying about Africans, have already been said about you, or if not you somebody close enough to you.

Incidentally the article you posted has been retracted to a degree, in fact it's entire main claim was wrong. Also poor people in the inner cities are disproportionately represented in prisons. As any fool knows, this is because they're poor and lack education, (see above), and not because of their skin.
 

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Some areas of London have undergone a total ethnic change in less than 20 years or so.
Quite so, THR.

Cricklewood and Kilburn are good examples - "Where Ireland meets The East" as Sir John Betjeman once said.

The Galtymore and the National are both gone, and many of the pubs are closed.

There's a much better class of person living there now. Property prices, which used to be lower than in other parts of London are now higher than elsewhere, and seem to be staying up despite the recession.
 

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The problem is the Irish so called left is going to abandon their community to seem involved. Bad mistake. The yankls are watching U.
 

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Said Frederick Engels......

......."Let us hear Thomas Carlyle upon this subject:

"The wild Milesian features, looking false ingenuity, restlessness, unreason, misery, and mockery, salute you on all highways and byways. The English coachman, as he whirls past, lashes the Milesian with his whip, curses him with his tongue; the Milesian is holding out his hat to beg. He is the sorest evil this country has to strive with. In his rags and laughing savagery, he is there to undertake all work that can be done by mere strength of hand and back -- for wages that will purchase him potatoes. He needs only salt for condiment, he lodges to his mind in any pig-hutch or dog-hutch, roosts in outhouses, and wears a suit of tatters, the getting on and off of which is said to be a difficult operation, transacted only in festivals and the high tides of the calendar. The Saxon-man, if he cannot work on these terms, finds no work.

The uncivilised Irishman, not by his strength, but by the opposite of strength, drives the Saxon native out, takes possession in his room. There abides he, in his squalor and unreason, in his falsity and drunken violence, as the ready-made nucleus of degradation and disorder. Whoever struggles, swimming with difficulty, may now find an example how the human being can exist not swimming, but sunk.... That the condition of the lower multitude of English labourers approximates more and more to that of the Irish, competing with them in all the markets: that whatsoever labour, to which mere strength with little skill will suffice, is to be done, will be done not at the English price, but at an approximation to the Irish price; at a price superior as yet to the Irish, that is, superior to scarcity of potatoes for thirty weeks yearly; superior, yet hourly, with the arrival of every new steamboat, sinking nearer to an equality with that."

(Engels continued) "If we except his exaggerated and one-sided condemnation of the Irish national character, Carlyle is perfectly right. These Irishmen who migrate for fourpence to England, on the deck of a steamship on which they are often packed like cattle, insinuate themselves everywhere. The worst dwellings are good enough for them; their clothing causes them little trouble, so long as it holds together by a single thread; shoes they know not; their food consists of potatoes and potatoes only; whatever they earn beyond these needs they spend upon drink. What does such a race want with high wages? The worst quarters of all the large towns are inhabited by Irishmen. Whenever a district is distinguished for especial filth and especial ruinousness, the explorer may safely count upon meeting chiefly those Celtic faces which one recognises at the first glance as different from the Saxon physiognomy of the native, and the singing, aspirate brogue which the true Irishman never loses. I have occasionally heard the Irish-Celtic language spoken in the most thickly populated parts of Manchester. The majority of the families who live in cellars are almost everywhere of Irish origin. In short, the Irish have, as Dr. Kay says, discovered the minimum of the necessities of life, and are now making the English workers acquainted with it. Filth and drunkenness, too, they have brought with them. The lack of cleanliness, which is not so injurious in the country, where population is scattered, and which is the Irishman's second nature, becomes terrifying and gravely dangerous through its concentration here in the great cities. The Milesian deposits all garbage and filth before his house door here, as he was accustomed to do at home, and so accumulates the pools and dirt-heaps which disfigure the working- people's quarters and poison the air. He builds a pig-sty against the house wall as he did at home, and if he is prevented from doing this, he lets the pig sleep in the room with himself. This new and unnatural method of cattle-raising in cities is wholly of Irish origin. The Irishman loves his pig as the Arab his horse, with the difference that he sells it when it is fat enough to kill. Otherwise, he eats and sleeps with it, his children play with it, ride upon it, roll in the dirt with it, as any one may see a thousand times repeated in all the great towns of England. The filth and comfortlessness that prevail in the houses themselves it is impossible to describe. The Irishman is unaccustomed to the presence of furniture; a heap of straw, a few rags, utterly beyond use as clothing, suffice for his nightly couch. A piece of wood, a broken chair, an old chest for a table, more he needs not; a tea-kettle, a few pots and dishes, equip his kitchen, which is also his sleeping and living room. When he is in want of fuel, everything combustible within his reach, chairs, door-posts, mouldings, flooring, finds its way up the chimney. Moreover, why should he need much room? At home in his mud-cabin there was only one room for all domestic purposes; more than one room his family does not need in England. So the custom of crowding many persons into a single room, now so universal, has been chiefly implanted by the Irish immigration. And since the poor devil must have one enjoyment, and society has shut him out of all others, he betakes himself to the drinking of spirits. Drink is the only thing which makes the Irishman's life worth having, drink and his cheery care-free temperament; so he revels in drink to the point of the most bestial drunkenness. The southern facile character of the Irishman, his crudity, which places him but little above the savage, his contempt for all humane enjoyments, in which his very crudeness makes him incapable of sharing, his filth and poverty, all favour drunkenness. The temptation is great, he cannot resist it, and so when he has money he gets rid of it down his throat. What else should he do? How can society blame him when it places him in a position in which he almost of necessity becomes a drunkard; when it leaves him to himself, to his savagery?"

So what to make of all that I wonder. Seems all the things you're saying about Africans, have already been said about you, or if not you somebody close enough to you.

Incidentally the article you posted has been retracted to a degree, in fact it's entire main claim was wrong. Also poor people in the inner cities are disproportionately represented in prisons. As any fool knows, this is because they're poor and lack education, (see above), and not because of their skin.
You're talking about men who built empires with hands and shovels on slave wages and comparing them to people who have been given a social welfare free pass ( it's the first place they hit to, not for the 'start' ) by guilt ridden fools .
 

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You're talking about men who built empires with hands and shovels on slave wages and comparing them to people who have been given a social welfare free pass ( it's the first place they hit to, not for the 'start' ) by guilt ridden fools .
Those aren't my words, but oh begob yes them was great boys, Empire builders. How many Africans do you actually know personally? I've worked alongside, they graft hard in all weathers. Easily as hard as my grandfathers generation and about four times as well as the current crop of feckless shoegazers leaving the Irish Education system. Most of them wouldn't even know how to use a pick and shovel.

Why is there a stupid law that says people coming from Africa can't work until everything is processed? It costs a fortune in dole money to have leaders so stupid, can't blame anybody for that but the Irish. Also why is it that Ireland doesn't train its own doctors and nurses and other assorted professionals, instead of leeching them from the third world where they're hard come by and where the development of those nations depends on them? Why can't Ireland train its own masses of unemployed? Why are unskilled people from outside the EU still being granted visas? These are all very obvious questions, but instead of asking them in the right places, people would rather slag darkies and in doing so sound no different than the racist Carlyle up above.

How is it in the free press of Europe every country is "the first place they hit"? You're full of nonsense that you picked up through being prejudiced, you should cop on and learn to ask the right questions and elect the right politicians. Slagging poor people who are escaping from famine conditions makes you look no different than those who were doing the same in the 1840's.
 

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Those aren't my words, but oh begob yes them was great boys, Empire builders. How many Africans do you actually know personally? I've worked alongside, they graft hard in all weathers. Easily as hard as my grandfathers generation and about four times as well as the current crop of feckless shoegazers leaving the Irish Education system. Most of them wouldn't even know how to use a pick and shovel.

Why is there a stupid law that says people coming from Africa can't work until everything is processed? It costs a fortune in dole money to have leaders so stupid, can't blame anybody for that but the Irish. Also why is it that Ireland doesn't train its own doctors and nurses and other assorted professionals, instead of leeching them from the third world where they're hard come by and where the development of those nations depends on them? Why can't Ireland train its own masses of unemployed? Why are unskilled people from outside the EU still being granted visas? These are all very obvious questions, but instead of asking them in the right places, people would rather slag darkies and in doing so sound no different than the racist Carlyle up above.

How is it in the free press of Europe every country is "the first place they hit"? You're full of nonsense that you picked up through being prejudiced, you should cop on and learn to ask the right questions and elect the right politicians. Slagging poor people who are escaping from famine conditions makes you look no different than those who were doing the same in the 1840's.
Why is there a stupid law that says people coming from Africa can't work until everything is processed?

Maybe it's because the overwhelming majority of people coming from Africa do so via the asylum system. The vast, vast majority of them are found to be bogus claimants.

You seem to want to reward people for lying!

Slagging poor people who are escaping from famine conditions makes you look no different than those who were doing the same in the 1840's

Famine conditions?? Where?

I doubt a single asylum claimant or indeed a single Africanm has given "fleeing famine" as a reason for their appearance in Ireland!

Basically just more of the same liberal nonsense that has most of our European neighbours in the state they are!
 

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You seem to want to reward people for lying!
How is making people work for a living rewarding them for lying? That's a fairly twisted point of view. Giving them free money is clearly what is rewarding them for lying, I don't see how you can possibly be in favour of it. And so it seems fairly clear that your motivation here is other than you're pretending.

Famine conditions?? Where?
Large part
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I doubt a single asylum claimant or indeed a single Africanm has given "fleeing famine" as a reason for their appearance in Ireland!
Yeah but then you with the full belly seriously doubts that's there's any famine. You know there were people just the same in Ireland when large swaths of the country were weakened to point of death by malnutrition, and swept away by easily preventable communicable diseases. Of course there's a special word for such people who lacked any empathy for their brothers but here it will just render as asterisks

Basically just more of the same liberal nonsense that has most of our European neighbours in the state they are!
Basically, your ignorance shines through. "What famine?", incredible, although your name's giving me hope that you're not even Irish.
 


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