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Who are in weakest in society and who will do anything for them?


Question R24U

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I would see the weakest in society as being-
1. The mentally ill detained in victorian centres.
2. The real homeless ie about 5000 people who do not have a roof over their heads or have to stay in b&bs.
3. Disabled, and unable to work.
4. The old, who do not have a pension or own their property.
5. Asylum seekers on 19euro per week.
6. Travellers.
7. Illiterates.

Who will do anything for them?
And how will they pay for them once the public sector and miscellaneous social welfare class are paid for?
Why have above been so marginalised?
Why are tax euros spent on less worthy causes than the above?
 


HughinBandon

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1 through to 5, because I have more compassion than Mr.De-Regulation.

BTW, you left out FF supporters. Sorry, sorry my mistake. That will be after the next general election.
 

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Why are travellers the weakest? Some of the more wealthy people in the country are travellers.

Other than that then ya, your 100% correct. Thing is, the question should be more, what have you, as an individual, done to help the weakest?

And of course, I don't mean you in particular. I mean you as in the rest of us. Why are we waiting for some central government to sort it out? Its not like any of us don't know where the homeless people sleep, where there's a family in money trouble, or an old person who would like some company.

Ask not what your country can do for you....
 

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5. Asylum seekers on 19euro per week.
Don't forget that's after they have their food, clothes, and accommodation paid for, so that's essentially 19e pocket money. You'd actually find Irish citizens on the dole who are worse off than that at the moment after all the bills are paid. So no sniffles here.
 

Question R24U

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The meitheal mentality? It still exists in society, thankfully. But is it enough? when one considers that central government spends 58bn every year - can anyone say that the above marginalised groups get the correct portion of national income once the necessaries eg gardai, courts, a nominal army, an effective health service and education system etc have been paid? Where does the rest go? It seems to go towards subsidies to private pensions, property subsidies through tax and social housing, highly paid unsackable public sector workers, paying people not to work, compensation schemes for all and sundry, 10,500 paintings not on display, a failing health system, e-voting machines and last but not least glossy brochures on how we will fix social problems?
 

Question R24U

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Who will do anything for them? Sinn Fein or the Socialist Party probably.
Funded by what economy?
There may be a better case made for Compassionate Conservatisism than well meaning socialism.
 

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What about the children? Will somebody please think of the children!!!
 

Question R24U

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What about the children? Will somebody please think of the children!!!
8. Good point. Leaving aside the thousands abused in the care of the State. The children of drugaddicts, alcoholics and other delinquent parents. Children who's only life vision is dependence on the State. Those who are failed by inadequate social oversight by social workers eg poscommon. Those subjected to too thorough oversight by social workers. And who's only contact with the state is through a dismal standard of education on an unequal basis and the criminal justice system.
 

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The weakest in society etc.

We pay taxes so the weakest in society (and that includes us and our children when we become weak - i.e, sacked etc.) get what they are entitled to. The fact that it doesn't go where it should doesn't mean that others who are equally entitled and that includes all unemployed and their children not just drug addicts etc., should have to do without or face cut backs. I am not sure what the commenter is suggesting but any cuts in social welfare etc., should be strenously resisted :confused:
 

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I assume the OP was refering to pointless increase in wages, to people that clearly dont need them.
...who work in the public sector ie increments. Or a 5% increase, in real terms, in social welfare . Or the massive increases in child benefit under ff which everyone is afraid to touch. Or pointless government task forces. Or very bad value in government land purchases. Or the HSE. Or bailing out bad banks and developers.

Or basically politicians and civil servants spending other people's money on non-necessary and least important items of expenditature while the above 8 categories are left in a state of dependence and in some cases hopeless and abject poverty. That is real poverty not a think tanks application of relativism.

It is a question of priorities in a tunnel vision political environment.
 
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Funded by what economy?
There may be a better case made for Compassionate Conservatisism than well meaning socialism.
You're having a laugh mate. The neo-liberal economic policies have been a complete disaster as proven since the days of Thatcher, and that disaster was in response to the disasterous Keynesian policies that preceeded it.

We can either choose to try implementing democratic workers led socialism or continue to bounce back and forth between neo-liberalism and keynesianism, which given their history so far have failed society terribly.

There are an awful lot of people still earning vast sums of money (more than most ordinary people could ever imagine having) including politicians, while the weakest in society are forced to beg on our streets.

The Socialist Party is a good voice for the weakest groups in society, pity mainstream media choose to only mention status quo parties.

Compassionate Conservatisism - and how would that work? trickle down economics works only for the wealthy.
 
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We pay taxes so the weakest in society (and that includes us and our children when we become weak - i.e, sacked etc.) get what they are entitled to. The fact that it doesn't go where it should doesn't mean that others who are equally entitled and that includes all unemployed and their children not just drug addicts etc., should have to do without or face cut backs. I am not sure what the commenter is suggesting but any cuts in social welfare etc., should be strenously resisted :confused:
Agreed. All people must be entitled to a decent standard of living; and cutting welfare and entitlements for those that rely on them from week to week cannot be be tolerated, they will fall further in poverty and continue to live in 'sub-human' conditions.
 

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People who work, who earn between 25 and 70 thousand Euro a year, with two or more children, who have inflated mortgages, and pay every other charge that is levied...

The "working poor"
 

macdarawhitfield

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Funded by what economy?
There may be a better case made for Compassionate Conservatisism than well meaning socialism.
Ah yes compassionate conservatism,Karl Rove for G.W.Bush circa 1999? But that was ten years ago and nobody ever mangaged to spot the thing.Like Bigfoot and Nessie,it pops up in documentaries only to vanish completely again.
 

Mr.De-Regulation

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You're having a laugh mate. The neo-liberal economic policies have been a complete disaster as proven since the days of Thatcher, and that disaster was in response to the disasterous Keynesian policies that preceeded it.

We can either choose to try implementing democratic workers led socialism or continue to bounce back and forth between neo-liberalism and keynesianism, which given their history so far have failed society terribly.

There are an awful lot of people still earning vast sums of money (more than most ordinary people could ever imagine having) including politicians, while the weakest in society are forced to beg on our streets.

The Socialist Party is a good voice for the weakest groups in society, pity mainstream media choose to only mention status quo parties.

Compassionate Conservatisism - and how would that work? trickle down economics works only for the wealthy.
Whats their policies other than handing all our cash to a dictatorship of the unions?

I would like to help the least well off and keep *rock'n'roll, thank you very much. We currently have the resources to care of everyone whom are victims of others. Simply stop spending money on crap we dont need. Bam its easy to do. None of this "democratic control" ****************************************. Stop wasting our time with your age old crap. It doesnt work becuase you dont have any idea. So we'll work what we got.

*Its my theory that rock music wouldnt exist without capitalism.
 

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