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Who are in weakest in society and who will do anything for them?

toughbutfair

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They are young, they have a house and they have jobs. We can therefore assume that they are reasonably healthy and literate, probably educated and have family.They are rich and should be counting their blessings every day.
their own fault. The woman should have dropped out of school after getting pregnant, get a free house. The scumbag areas sometimes have free creches even though many on the dole anyway (so they don't really have anything to do). They'd all have medical cards too, she'd get the same child welfare (even though no creche to pay for).
 


uriah

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F**k you a$$hole!

The line rental is free and he is on talk talk (as is the rest of the family and his two mates in the neighbourhood) so he usually has zero (maybe one Euro) phone bill.

His electricity is free up to a limit so like any single person, one wash a week generally does all the clothes. besides that, just a bit of television and the cooker - comes in under the threshhold so he has ZERO ESB bill. ALSO, i stated that I THINK the oil is subsidised which implies I am not sure.

He can no longer drive but bus is free anytime into and from town.
Why the abuse?

I find it better to conduct debate based on facts. You said that his 'phone and electricity were free. That is not true. Pensioners' phone line rental is free and normal standing charges + some units ( I think 2400) of electricity are free. €200 (approx) per week is a very small income for someone living on his/her own.

I was on talk-talk until recently. They charged for phonecalls.
 

toughbutfair

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talk talk do not charge for calls to other talk talk,hence why the zero phone bill, zero ESB bill as under the limit. therefore he does get all his phone calls and ESB for free.
 

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somebody mentioned Thatcher earlier.

Don't forget, real socialists were running britain in 1979 and everybody was on strike, unions thought their members deserved more money(what a shock) and were screwing the non union taxpayers. Britain was better in 1990 than 1979. thatcher defeated the unions which was a huge achievement, I wish bertie had that courage.

Anybody think britain in 1979 with all its strikes was better than 1990.
 

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their own fault. The woman should have dropped out of school after getting pregnant, get a free house. The scumbag areas sometimes have free creches even though many on the dole anyway (so they don't really have anything to do). They'd all have medical cards too, she'd get the same child welfare (even though no creche to pay for).
Where are the 'scumbag' areas?
 

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Moyross in Limerick is one example. How much tax have they paid? yet mr and mrs hard working average couple who pay loads of tax get no free creche (even though more likely to actually work) and have to pay about a 900 a month per child out of their after tax income.
 

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somebody mentioned Thatcher earlier.

Don't forget, real socialists were running britain in 1979 and everybody was on strike, unions thought their members deserved more money(what a shock) and were screwing the non union taxpayers. Britain was better in 1990 than 1979. thatcher defeated the unions which was a huge achievement, I wish bertie had that courage.

Anybody think britain in 1979 with all its strikes was better than 1990.
Um, the strikes happened because the workers were being treated like slaves.

Perhaps it was a tough time for the upper class, what with not being able to get their first class transport or their mounds of coal for their fire while they sat and watched the lower class starve.

Because that was the result of those people fighting to save their jobs or for decent working conditions. Many of them were starving and couldn't afford to put food on the table or clothes on their children's backs.

And I don't think any sane person could say that "real socialists" ran Britain in 1979. Are you referring to Thatcher or her predecessor? Neither were socialists.
 

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Moyross in Limerick is one example. How much tax have they paid? yet mr and mrs hard working average couple who pay loads of tax get no free creche (even though more likely to actually work) and have to pay about a 900 a month per child out of their after tax income.
Wow.

Moyross in Limerick has been cut off from society for years!

Nobody gives a crap about them and how they live. Is it any wonder they take advantage of the rest of us and live under their own law?
 

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Wow.

Moyross in Limerick has been cut off from society for years!

Nobody gives a crap about them and how they live. Is it any wonder they take advantage of the rest of us and live under their own law?

******************** moyross. i guarantee you have never been there. you can claim you have been and I can disprove it but they are scumbags. they are not victims but hooligans.
 

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******************** moyross. i guarantee you have never been there. you can claim you have been and I can disprove it but they are scumbags. they are not victims but hooligans.
You need help urgently.

Perhaps you are one of the 'weakest in society' most in need of support.
You certainly need education.
 

sarahj

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******************** moyross. i guarantee you have never been there. you can claim you have been and I can disprove it but they are scumbags. they are not victims but hooligans.
Yes, I have been there.

ANd people can be victims and hooligans at the same time.

Haven't you ever heard that people learn how to behave from how those around them behave? Those "hooligans" were once little kids who were marginalised and abandoned with no real hope of making it in conventional society.

So they turned to the other option, the neighbourhood gang. Why am I explaining basic gang sociology to you? It's all there, look it up.

You really know how to make yourself look bigoted, ignorant, uneducated and bitter...get over it.

Unless you live in Moyross you have it much better than them so stop complaining.
 

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listen up now!

we are spending billions of our money knocking down houses in those areas to rebuild new ones - why? how will that change their behaviour. They should have had their dole cut off during the boom so they would be made get off their lazy asses, and do a days work. that would teach respect.

and no - wasting it on the banks doesn't make more waste okay.
 

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listen up now!

we are spending billions of our money knocking down houses in those areas to rebuild new ones - why? how will that change their behaviour. They should have had their dole cut off during the boom so they would be made get off their lazy asses, and do a days work. that would teach respect.

and no - wasting it on the banks doesn't make more waste okay.
Right so you want to force them into things? Nice...

And noone ever said that waste justified more waste...but if the bankers are getting a bailout for sitting on their asses making retarded decisions (I think YOU would refer to that as work) then surely the "skangers" should get the same for similar levels of contribution?
 

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You can be assured that the next round of €4-6bn will targett the weakest and most vulnerable in society eg crumlin children's hospital, untragetted social welfare cuts, massive education cuts to come - but we will still have low personal income tax, subsidize property and give generous allowances to private sector pensions.
 

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You can be assured that the next round of €4-6bn will targett the weakest and most vulnerable in society eg crumlin children's hospital, untragetted social welfare cuts, massive education cuts to come - but we will still have low personal income tax, subsidize property and give generous allowances to private sector pensions.
you mean like topping up private pension funds and paying employers to keep existing jobs?


Government ready to pledge €1bn to protect jobs at risk - The Irish Times - Wed, Jun 24, 2009

The Government has also said that it would invest up to €100 million per annum in a new pension insolvency scheme which would seek to assist workers and pensioners in cases of “double insolvency” where both the pension scheme and the company are in financial difficulties.

The Government said that this new scheme would operate on a pilot basis for three years. It said that under this arrangement existing pensioners would be “eligible to a top-up of 100 per cent of their pension promise or €12,000 per annum, whichever is the lesser”.

“Active and deferred scheme members would be eligible for a top-up of 50 per cent of their accrued entitlements or the equivalent of €6,000 per annum, whichever is the lesser.”
 

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What about the children? Will somebody please think of the children!!!
Children have no individual rights in this society, children are regarded as the property of parents/guardians and not as individuals. In general the courts have held that the child's rights are to be found within the family rather than specifically against the family or the parents. Courts have also interpreted the rights of the child as the right to be brought up and educated by his or her parents. And that's it I think!
 

sarahj

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Children have no individual rights in this society, children are regarded as the property of parents/guardians and not as individuals. In general the courts have held that the child's rights are to be found within the family rather than specifically against the family or the parents. Courts have also interpreted the rights of the child as the right to be brought up and educated by his or her parents. And that's it I think!
It's all about the property.

Children are just one example - their personal rights are not as important as property rights. Same with so many other aspects of our society.
 

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I am opposed to woman being given their own property just because they are pregnant.
Moyross is a problem. And one that is not going to go away any time soon. I agree with toughbutfair, that knocking down one slum estate just to build another is a waste of money. The problem with this area is not the houses but the people who live in them. The current generation of dwellers there are a write-off, we should concentrate on changing the mind set of the next generation born there.
 

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I am opposed to woman being given their own property just because they are pregnant.
Moyross is a problem. And one that is not going to go away any time soon. I agree with toughbutfair, that knocking down one slum estate just to build another is a waste of money. The problem with this area is not the houses but the people who live in them. The current generation of dwellers there are a write-off, we should concentrate on changing the mind set of the next generation born there.
There are SO many things wrong with that post, but the main one is that you CAN'T change the mindset of a group of kids without changing that of their parents.

On top of that - the estates ARE the problem. You cordon people off into a slum and eliminate them from society, then you have to expect them to be disconnected and not to follow the same rules as us.
 

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You can be assured that the next round of €4-6bn will target the weakest and most vulnerable in society eg crumlin children's hospital, untragetted social welfare cuts, massive education cuts to come - but we will still have low personal income tax, subsidize property and give generous allowances to private sector pensions.
This is precisely what McCarthy is proposing.
 

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