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Who are the most vulnerable?


Asparagus

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We always hear about "the vulnerable".
They are always used as a weapon in political wrangling.

So who are they?

I have heard it said over time that the following cohorts are "Most vulnerable" or among the "Most vulnerable"

The Unemployed
The Elderly
Children
Homosexuals
Mortgage holders
Prisoners
Drug Addicts
Sick children
Mentally Ill people
Blind people
People in Hospital
Women
Abuse victims
Travellers
Self employed
Non national minorities
Carers
PAYE workers
Students

The government obviously think that the elite civil servants, banking overlords and bondholders are the most vulnerable while the opposition think that PAYE workers are.
After all the opposition claim that this budget is hardest on the vulnerable, the government say that the vulnerable are protected.
That is the default argument of every budget.

So who do the vulnerable think they are? and more importantly - who do you think they are?
 

EoinMag

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It's a wishy-washy term to hide behind, and can mean whoever is convenient at the time.
 

hammer

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There are vulnerable people in every sector of Irish society.

Some possibly earning more than €70,000 and up to their tonsils in debt etc....

If debt wasn`t there it would be easier to identify the most vulnerable but your list would be accurate.
 

Analyzer

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No. Completely incorrect.

The Anglo Bondholders are the most vulnerable.

That is why the welfare money that they are scheduled to receive gets ringfenced first.

That is why there are never any cutbacks, taxes, or levies.

That is why the EU insists on their interests being first on the list.
 

Burnout

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I have a life.
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The Elderly
Children
Sick children
Mentally Ill people
Blind people
People in Hospital
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Carers
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The above are vulernable. The others are just living here.
 

Schomberg

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The Elderly
Children
Sick children
Mentally Ill people
Blind people
People in Hospital
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Carers
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The above are vulernable. The others are just living here.
This. I don't think anyone would begrudge these groups any money. No matter how bad things are.
 

Asparagus

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This. I don't think anyone would begrudge these groups any money. No matter how bad things are.
A small group of prominant irish men and women begrudge them. They issued a budget yesterday that targetted most of the people on that list.
 

And So I Said

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The vulnerable are simply those at risk. How do people become at risk? Maybe by being hammered by an inept government.
at risk of what? at risk of loosing some rental income on one of their properties; or at risk of not being able to get out of bad because the care worker was fired?
 
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People with high debts relative to income I'd say. The rest of us will cope no matter what happens but if you have a mortgage/credit card debt which is strangling you then you are in real trouble, particularly with falling wages and rising taxes.

There are other groups too numerous to mention but for me, this section of society is the one who is going to have the worst life as they chase their tales to get out from under their bills.
 

Asparagus

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at risk of what? at risk of loosing some rental income on one of their properties; or at risk of not being able to get out of bad because the care worker was fired?
or at risk of starvation because they are completely dependant on some one to feed them.
or at risk of having to drive a bloody Mercedes because the vrt on importing a bentley is OMG, like, so expensive
 

thebig C

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During the Referendum on the Fiscal Treaty almost every media comentator insisted that "The areas suffering most from the Cuts and extra taxes voted No". This clearly implied that the poorest areas were bearing the brunt of austerity.

However, my problem with that was that Social Welfare, Rent Supplement, Childrens allowence etc etc....have either not been cut of only cut by a miniscule ammount. In contrast, those who voted Yes (mostly from middle income areas) have had were from areas paying the highest income tax rates, household charge, Income Levy etc!.....So those paying the highest price voted Yes.

Slightly oblique point maybe to the question about vulnerability but worth thinking about.

C
 

realistic1

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We always hear about "the vulnerable".
They are always used as a weapon in political wrangling.

So who are they?

I have heard it said over time that the following cohorts are "Most vulnerable" or among the "Most vulnerable"

The Unemployed
The Elderly
Children
Homosexuals
Mortgage holders
Prisoners
Drug Addicts
Sick children
Mentally Ill people
Blind people
People in Hospital
Women
Abuse victims
Travellers
Self employed
Non national minorities
Carers
PAYE workers
Students

The government obviously think that the elite civil servants, banking overlords and bondholders are the most vulnerable while the opposition think that PAYE workers are.
After all the opposition claim that this budget is hardest on the vulnerable, the government say that the vulnerable are protected.
That is the default argument of every budget.

So who do the vulnerable think they are? and more importantly - who do you think they are?

Politically the most vulnerable would be the Labour party
 

b.a. baracus

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I don't agree that the elderly are among the most vulnerable. They can be but are not necessarily so, there are plenty of pensioners living on huge incomes. Mention the elderly and most people have a vision of a frail old lady sitting by a super-ser with a copy of Irelands Own and because of that fail to tackle pensioners who have huge incomes but yet still receive universal benefits.
 
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longshortgrass

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The Elderly
Children
Sick children
Mentally Ill people
Blind people
People in Hospital
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Carers
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The above are vulernable. The others are just living here.
Fingers Fingleton is elderly.
Quinn children?
Bertie has carers. :cool:

To every rule, there are exceptions. Each case should be taken on its individual merits. Too many greedy hide among the needy.

The posts here on wine prices and the queues to buy wine last evening say a lot.
 

ManOfReason

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When politicians talk about helping the 'most vulnerable' what they really hope you will hear is 'don't worry, I'll make someone else besides you pay for everything'
 

Con Gallagher

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To take three of the examples:
Victims of sexual abuse, travellers and those in poverty.

Lifetime Experience of Sexual Abuse and Assault
• Women: More than four in ten (42 per cent) of women re- ported some form of sexual abuse or assault in their lifetime. The most serious form of abuse, penetrative abuse, was ex- perienced by 10 per cent of women. Attempted penetration or contact abuse was experienced by 21 per cent, with a further 10 per cent experiencing non-contact abuse.
• Men: Over a quarter of men (28 per cent) reported some form of sexual abuse or assault in their lifetime. Penetrative abuse was experienced by 3 per cent of men. Attempted penetration or contact abuse was experienced by 18 per cent, with a fur- ther 7 per cent experiencing non-contact abuse"
SAVI report - Dublin Rape Crisis Centre

(some) Travellers
One of the key findings is that Travellers of all ages continue to have much higher mortality rates than people in the general population, with Traveller men now living on average 15 years less than men in the general population and Traveller women living on average 11.5 years less than women in the general population.

Deaths from respiratory diseases, cardiovascular diseases and suicides were more markedly increased in Travellers compared to the general population. The suicide rates among Traveller men were identified as 7 times higher than suicide rates among men in the general population.
UCD News - Shorter life expectancy and higher suicide rates among Travellers, study shows

Poverty
Combat Poverty - Who is poor in Ireland today?
 
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