Who are the "swing" TDs and how many are needed to pass the budget?

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How many of these are needed to pass the budget? How many of them are firmly in the yes and no camps?
How sure is the budget to pass?

Healy Rae
Lowry
Mattie McGrath
The 2 Sligo FF lads (or is it Roscommon?)
Joe Behan
Finian McGrath
Maureen O'Sullivan
Noel Grealish

Am I missing anyone?
 


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I can't see Mattie Mac G voting for it
will prob abstain
under severe pressure in Tipp S
 

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I think the question is who are the ballygobackwards gombeen politicans that have been bribed.
 

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Am I right in thinking that they need 6 of the above?
And that's assuming there is no breaking ranks in The Party.

What is Grealish up to, anyone?
Can we assume the Dublin pair are in the "no" camp?
 

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If any FF backbencher wants to save his seat, this is the day to do it. Maybe one or two will show some solidarity with the Irish people and vote against the budget and give us our election.

Then maybe Lowry won't get his casino, and JHR won't get whatever dirty brown envelope he's been offered.
 

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Its gonna pass. Stop thinking it wont. Pass the budget and lets move on.
 

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I was in Leinster House in January 1982 the night the budget failed.
They didn't know until less then an hour before the division. The result was Ta 80, Nil 81. It came down to Jim Kemmy. Even as the lobbys were filling, Garret Fitzgerald was trying to show Kemmy some figures on a page. I saw it myself from the visitors' gallery.
 

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There may be one other constitutional route to go if the budget passes. Hard to imagine, but I suppose it could happen.

It takes only a third of the Dail to put the budget bill to a referendum by the people under Article 27.

If for some reason the budget bill passes, there should be an immediate Article 27 petition to the president.
 

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If for some reason the budget bill passes, there should be an immediate Article 27 petition to the president.
It also requires 50% of the Seanad. The 2nd hurdle is higher.

Maybe Enda could go with "If the Seanad is so blind that it is incapable of seeing the necessity of this petition, then the the first act of the next government will be a referendum for its abolishment".

However, FG simply don't have the fire to do that.
 

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It also requires 50% of the Seanad. The 2nd hurdle is higher.

Maybe Enda could go with "If the Seanad is so blind that it is incapable of seeing the necessity of this petition, then the the first act of the next government will be a referendum for its abolishment".

However, FG simply don't have the fire to do that.


The Seanad cannot be bystanders in this. This is their moment in Irish history as well. Let them vote to decide if the Irish government should become agents of foreign rule or if the Irish people deserve the final say as to whether this happens or not.

If the budget passes, then one-third of the Dail and the Seanad need to take the matter as a referndum to the Irish people.
 

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A sentence with both "TD" and "swing" in it has a certain poetry to it.petuniapetuniapetunia

 


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