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Who counts the trolleys now??


spidermom

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I see that only 8 out of 25 days in March have seen less than 300 patients on trolleys in our hospitals A+E depts, as per the INMO webpage(no counts at the weekends however(??).) Trolley Watch


However am unable to find the page on the HSE website which counts trolley figures....which used to exist!!
I am aware that Minister Reilly announced (at a INMO conference )that the figures collected from the INMO were more accurate in relation to trolley figures....but have the HSE given up collecting the figures at all?????

and then you see this 24-hour ED waits deemed serious incidents - irishhealth.com

and you wonder what data will they be using??



(I note from the INMO website that they will start to track over crowded wards on April 8th.....this is where all the trolleys are hidden from the SDU BTW... ........SIGH!!)
 

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I see that only 8 out of 25 days in March have seen less than 300 patients on trolleys in our hospitals A+E depts, as per the INMO webpage(no counts at the weekends however(??).) Trolley Watch


However am unable to find the page on the HSE website which counts trolley figures....which used to exist!!
I am aware that Minister Reilly announced (at a INMO conference )that the figures collected from the INMO were more accurate in relation to trolley figures....but have the HSE given up collecting the figures at all?????

and then you see this 24-hour ED waits deemed serious incidents - irishhealth.com

and you wonder what data will they be using??

(I note from the INMO website that they will start to track over crowded wards on April 8th.....this is where all the trolleys are hidden from the SDU BTW... ........SIGH!!)
Interesting, the DoHC only said that they'd be adopting the methodology that's currently being used by the INMO and that those figures being computed by nurses would be validated by both the CNM and by hospital bed managers. They're obviously agreeing that the INMO figures are "accurate", but why wouldn't they when we all know that INMO official stats don't actually count the numbers who are awaiting admission on trolleys in our overspill wards, or those who are being boarded on trolleys on wards. On March 20th there were 399 patients who were officially on trolleys but that didn't seem to attract much attention from the media. For some very odd reason INMO trolleywatch grinds to a complete and utter halt every w/e and on each bank hol w/e. Does anyone know why?

When they say that instances where patients are left waiting on trolleys for more than 24 hours should be treated as a "major clinical incident" what exactly do they mean? Do you follow the same procedure as with other clinical incidents? Does it mean that the risk manager must now conduct an investigation in to each and every serious clinical incident? Is the state claims agency notified as is the case with every other serious clinical incident? Questions, questions, questions.....
 

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Interesting, the DoHC only said that they'd be adopting the methodology that's currently being used by the INMO and that those figures being computed by nurses would be validated by both the CNM and by hospital bed managers. They're obviously agreeing that the INMO figures are "accurate", but why wouldn't they when we all know that INMO official stats don't actually count the numbers who are awaiting admission on trolleys in our overspill wards, or those who are being boarded on trolleys on wards. On March 20th there were 399 patients who were officially on trolleys but that didn't seem to attract much attention from the media. For some very odd reason INMO trolleywatch grinds to a complete and utter halt every w/e and on each bank hol w/e. Does anyone know why?

When they say that instances where patients are left waiting on trolleys for more than 24 hours should be treated as a "major clinical incident" what exactly do they mean? Do you follow the same procedure as with other clinical incidents? Does it mean that the risk manager must now conduct an investigation in to each and every serious clinical incident? Is the state claims agency notified as is the case with every other serious clinical incident? Questions, questions, questions.....


Last year I was hospitalised 11 times in 12 months, 7 by ambulance, due to heart condition. I spent between 24 and 39 hours on trollies, both in the A&E and in the corridor outside wards. I was shaggin worse coming home that when I went in. I was told that while I was in the corridor outside the ward I was technically on the ward. It is one of the was one of the ways hiding these figures.

By the way, it took those 11 admittances over these 12 months for the brains called consultants to discover that the medications prescribed for me were not working! Not of course that they gave me the wrong medications! :shock:
 
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Last year I was hospitalised 11 times in 12 months, 7 by ambulance, due to heart condition. I spent between 24 and 39 hours on trollies, both in the A&E and in the corridor outside wards. I was shaggin worse coming home that when I went in. I was told that while I was in the corridor outside the ward I was technically on the ward. It is one of the was one of the ways hiding these figures.
And the INMO is complicit in hiding the true numbers who are being boarded on trolleys. Nurses should be counting each and every person who's awaiting admission regardless of the environment where they're being boarded.

Hope your ok now...
 

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And the INMO is complicit in hiding the true numbers who are being boarded on trolleys. Nurses should be counting each and every person who's awaiting admission regardless of the environment where they're being boarded.

Hope your ok now...
Agreed 100% but one has to ask the question, who benefits from the lower numbers if the 'total count' is not being properly reported?
 

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And the INMO is complicit in hiding the true numbers who are being boarded on trolleys. Nurses should be counting each and every person who's awaiting admission regardless of the environment where they're being boarded.

Hope your ok now...
Since December 2012 I have not been back except for checkups, medication reduced from 8 pills a day to just 3, an aspirin, lipitor & a water pill. They will never admit how wrong they get it, no matter what.
 

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Nobody should be parked on trolleys in corridors. Even one person makes a shocking statistic! HSE, what an organisation! Reilly is not the man to sort out this disgusting mess. He might be better employed paying off his debts and leave that rudderless ship find its own course. Who knows, it would probably be for the best to let it find its own way.
 

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Since December 2012 I have not been back except for checkups, medication reduced from 8 pills a day to just 3, an aspirin, lipitor & a water pill. They will never admit how wrong they get it, no matter what.
So much for their policy of open disclosure when things go wrong. Good to hear that you're feeling much better :).

Agreed 100% but one has to ask the question, who benefits from the lower numbers if the 'total count' is not being properly reported?
It's all about perception, glossy reports and justifying the existence of quango's like the SDU! In 2012 the INMO was accusing hospital managers of doctoring real trolley stat numbers which is kind of ironic when you think about it! You'd really have to wonder what's stopping nurses from compiling those stats and inputting the true figures for the numbers of patients who are on trolleys awaiting admission on to INMO trolley watch :confused:? As for who benefits, reduced stats suggests that the SDU, DoHC and the minister are making inroads and they also make the hospital look good! You'd have to question the longterm inroads made by the equivalent entity up in NI considering they sent 1.200 patients crossborder for treatment last year, with the NHS spending €45m for patients to be treated privately.

Hospitals 'doctoring real trolley numbers' - Independent.ie

1,200 Northern patients sent to hospitals here - Herald.ie

Northern Ireland's £45m bill for NHS patients to be treated privately - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
 
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Only getting back to this now...(apologies)....never been able to find out who feeds the INMO with their figures from any hospital I have ever worked in.....1st(2nd....3rd) secret of fatima I suppose!!.....

Who will calculate their trolleys parked in every corner of every ward may be easier for me to discover....(one hopes!!)....Me thinks the DOHC will be less willing to have these numbers published????....or maybe not!! :-(

It would appear that a trolley on a ward is a safer place to be....."allegedly"....:-(


332 today BTW Trolley Watch
 
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gatsbygirl20

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Only getting back to this now...(apologies)....never been able to find out who feeds the INMO with their figures from any hospital I have ever worked in.....1st(2nd....3rd) secret of fatima I suppose!!.....

Who will calculate their trolleys parked in every corner of every ward may be easier for me to discover....(one hopes!!)....Me thinks the DOHC will be less willing to have these numbers published????....or maybe not!! :-(

It would appear that a trolley on a ward is a safer place to be....."allegedly"....:-(


332 today BTW Trolley Watch
I have to be honest Spidey and admit that i was on a trolley once and did not even know it! I thought it was a bed, and the angle my trolley was at made it look like I was in a ward....mind you, I was pretty unwell at the time and easily fooled

But I did not find it to be this awful experience one hears of. It was only when the nurse said "We'll have you admitted onto the ward soon. We're so sorry" or words to that effect, that I fully understood what was happening.

When I was given a bed I got great treatment. Much better treatment than in a private hospital, which I would rather not name, where I went subsequently with a different ailment, and which, while very, very comfortable, made a bit of a hash of things, including wrong diagnosis....

I was in Castlebar hospital recently with an elderly relative in A&E and it was total, total chaos....the staff absolutely ran off their feet...awful pressure...
 

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Glad you didnt realise the difference....but unfortunately the staff did!!...but were able(thankfully) to negate any difference in care.....

If 2/3/4 challenging students do NOT make a difference in a classroom (???)...then 2/3/4(sick) patients on trolleys do not make a difference in quality of outcomes either.....?


If you ain't on a trolley...you ain't sick........ :-(


A student can catch up.....(please god...can be inspired.....can achieve his/her goals later)...a sick person....might only have one chance of future goals.....................(?)


:-(
 

gatsbygirl20

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Glad you didnt realise the difference....but unfortunately the staff did!!...but were able(thankfully) to negate any difference in care.....

If 2/3/4 challenging students do NOT make a difference in a classroom (???)...then 2/3/4(sick) patients on trolleys do not make a difference in quality of outcomes either.....?


If you ain't on a trolley...you ain't sick........ :-(


A student can catch up.....(please god...can be inspired.....can achieve his/her goals later)...a sick person....might only have one chance of future goals.....................(?)


:-(

There were a lot of trolleys in the corridor in Castlebar...incredible

I don't know how the nurses would have had time to count them, they were ran of their feet...
 

Patrick Ronayne

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Patients in hospitals outside Dublin are now enduring the worst of the trolley crisis. Cork has become the new "trolley capital" of Ireland as a result of its relentless hospital emergency overcrowding. A&E gridlock is now worse in emergency departments in Cork, Limerick, Galway, Tullamore and South Tipperary than in the major Dublin hospitals. More than 9,400 patients endured long delays on hospital trolleys last month - the highest level of overcrowding for March in more than a decade...
 
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