Who is Ron Paul and why wont RTE tell us.

eyes_west

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Most people living on this island with an interest in politics could name three Republican candidates and three Democratic candidates for the American election in 2008. Usual suspects being Giuliani, McCain, Romney and Clinton, Obama, Edwards.

There is a Congressman from Texas in the race too. His name is Ron Paul. He is rarely mentioned by the major networks in the United States and I haven't heard any reference to him by our media. And yet he has won almost every opinion poll after the republican debates, some by a landslide.

Last week Ron Paul had more Google search hits than Paris Hilton or the iPhone!!

Ron Paul is the only candidate on the Republican side to vote against the war in Iraq.

Ron Paul is an unusual politician.

He has NEVER voted to raise taxes.

He has never voted for an UNBALANCED budget.

He wants less government, not bigger government.

He voted against regulating the internet.

He wants America to STOP policing the world.

He is for peace and trade.

He is attracting a huge internet following, particularly popular with young people. I find his views appealing. It is refreshing to come across a politician who will vote according to his belief in the constitution no matter what the party line may be. Irish politicians for the most part change with the wind. We know it and most accept it. Ron Paul challenges that notion. I challenge you to find out more about Ron Paul and why he is being ignored by the mainstream media. www.ronpaul2008.com
Or else put up with the pro war, pro terror candidates.
 


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he's big news on libertynewsforum.com, the US equivalent of p.ie. he admittedly has a side bar ad on the site but Reps cant work out if they love him and Dems cant work out if they hate him. he'd be good in the pres election itself but he'll be bad in a Rep primary. they'll go for who doesn't confuse them, ie Thompson with a Romney VP. sorry to bust your bubble.
 

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eyes_west said:
who is winning?
Mitt Romney will win the nomination i would say
 

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I think Fred Thompson has a chance if he would just go ahead and feckin declare. Why on earth he is still in the "exploratory committee" stage I dunno. He's headed polls already which to me would suggest he should declare.

It would cause Paul a problem as well. Similar small government federalism speak coming from a more recognisable face.
 

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Giulani is heading the GOP polls at the moment, he's over %30 and looks the likely nominee at this stage. Paul while being an admirable politician isn't a realistic contender. He has raised just over $2,000,000 thus far. To put that into context, Mitt Romney has raised about 14 million,Giulani over 18 million and on the Democrat side, Hilliary over 26 million with Barack over 33 million!! Hilliary Clinton has a double-digit lead in the polls on the Democrat side.
 

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Bill Maher seems to like him too.
 

youngdan

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Nixon once described fred thompson as being as dumb as a brick. he will stay out of debates for as long as possible. Rudy is supported by the media but when people research him he is truely revolting. Ron Paul's message is very appealing but most importantly people believes what he says. Mitt Romney is a very admireable person and i believe they are the two to watch. Paul does not get media attention because he would upset the status quo. that is the view from Boston
 

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youngdan said:
Rudy is supported by the media but when people research him he is truely revolting. Ron Paul's message is very appealing but most importantly people believes what he says. Mitt Romney is a very admireable person and i believe they are the two to watch.
Ron Paul is appealing but he's hopeless. He doesn't have the fundraising ability which is sadly so vital in the race for the White House. He also lacks widespread recognition, the last poll I saw had him at %1. Romney is also impressive but I don't think America is ready for a Mormor president. I remember seeing some polling data from republicans that %30 less were likely to vote for a mormon. Of those who were less likely around %50 said there was no chance they'd vote for a mormon. That's a massive handicap right of the gate. McCain will be seen as too old. Giulani may win due to lack of credible opposition. He is also remembered for his strong handling post 9-11.
 

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Romney has a big advantage that may not be immediately apparent. He leads in iowa and also in New Hampshire. if he is to win the nomination he needs to win both of these states. One week later South Carolina has it's primary which is hostile territory for Romney so his hope is that Rudy would be toast by then. The main firefighters union have recently released a very damaging video of Rudy's actions that day,911. Money raised is also deceptive. Obama's money is mainly small donations from a large number of people whereas Hillary's is from large doners. Ron Paul has volunteers so his 3 million can see him through the campaign.There is also the likelyhood of a third party run by Bloomberg who is willing to spend a billion dollars of his own money. The early indicator is the Ames strawpoll on August 11 in Iowa for the Republicans which will lead to the political demise of mayby 3 of the 11.
 

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TheJudge said:
youngdan said:
Rudy is supported by the media but when people research him he is truely revolting. Ron Paul's message is very appealing but most importantly people believes what he says. Mitt Romney is a very admireable person and i believe they are the two to watch.
Ron Paul is appealing but he's hopeless. He doesn't have the fundraising ability which is sadly so vital in the race for the White House. He also lacks widespread recognition, the last poll I saw had him at %1. Romney is also impressive but I don't think America is ready for a Mormor president. I remember seeing some polling data from republicans that %30 less were likely to vote for a mormon. Of those who were less likely around %50 said there was no chance they'd vote for a mormon. That's a massive handicap right of the gate. McCain will be seen as too old. Giulani may win due to lack of credible opposition. He is also remembered for his strong handling post 9-11.
Apparently no-one on this thread has read ANYTHING about Ron Paul beyond his weirdo-Libertarian stances (he thinks paper money is unconstitutional.) He has a long history of racist remarks and affiliations. He was one of only two congressman (the other was a Georgia Republican Lynn Westmoreland who wants the 10 Commandments in Federal buildings and voted against renewing the Voting Rights Acts) to vote against re-opening murder cases from the freedom summer of the 60's (i.e. going after Klansmen who escaped justice at the time.)

His positions on Iraq and the whole War on Terror may be laudable and even Left, but at his core Paul is an integral part of the n*****-hatin' wing of the Republican Party. The only reason his primary opponents haven't pointed this out yet is that it would probably boost his chances amongst most GOP voters!
 

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"he has never voted to raise taxes" - what is America's obsession with paying taxes (ok, don't tell me, I know - it's called capitalism). All countries need to raise funds in some manner and the paying of tax on profits or earnings is recognised, even in capitalist countries. If you want good services in health, education, public transport and other public services you need to finance it and the levying of tax is a way of doing that that has been around for century. As a socialist I believe that those who make profit - the wealthy, should pay the bulk of taxes, although every citizen who is in a position to make a contribution should have to do so, taking into account their ability to do so.

The US I know has a different way, they expect people to pay for health and other services, regardless of their ability to do so. And those who can't pay have to do without or make do with a very inferior service. This disease is catching on here too, big time. The welfare state, where the state collects taxes to pay for decent public services for all, is being destroyed (not that it was ever much to write home about anyway). We have the lowest business tax regime in Europe and while some say that is good for employment the truth is that it is good for profits. Business people do not generally create jobs as a social service, they employ people to do the work necessary to boost THEIR profits.

This could be a good debate at the P.ie Summer School by the way. An old favorite slogan of mine comes to mind, "Tax the Greedy, Not the Needy"!
 

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DaraghM said:
TheJudge said:
youngdan said:
Rudy is supported by the media but when people research him he is truely revolting. Ron Paul's message is very appealing but most importantly people believes what he says. Mitt Romney is a very admireable person and i believe they are the two to watch.
Ron Paul is appealing but he's hopeless. He doesn't have the fundraising ability which is sadly so vital in the race for the White House. He also lacks widespread recognition, the last poll I saw had him at %1. Romney is also impressive but I don't think America is ready for a Mormor president. I remember seeing some polling data from republicans that %30 less were likely to vote for a mormon. Of those who were less likely around %50 said there was no chance they'd vote for a mormon. That's a massive handicap right of the gate. McCain will be seen as too old. Giulani may win due to lack of credible opposition. He is also remembered for his strong handling post 9-11.
Apparently no-one on this thread has read ANYTHING about Ron Paul beyond his weirdo-Libertarian stances (he thinks paper money is unconstitutional.) He has a long history of racist remarks and affiliations. He was one of only two congressman (the other was a Georgia Republican Lynn Westmoreland who wants the 10 Commandments in Federal buildings and voted against renewing the Voting Rights Acts) to vote against re-opening murder cases from the freedom summer of the 60's (i.e. going after Klansmen who escaped justice at the time.)

His positions on Iraq and the whole War on Terror may be laudable and even Left, but at his core Paul is an integral part of the n*****-hatin' wing of the Republican Party. The only reason his primary opponents haven't pointed this out yet is that it would probably boost his chances amongst most GOP voters!
Well,in that case, I take back my 'appealing' comment. Clearly I was badly misinformed!
 

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Mayby a clarification is called for. The constitution states in article 1, section 10, paragraph 1 clause 3 states, No state shall make anything but gold and silver coin a tender payment of debts. google it and see for yourself. The dollar only became a fiat currency in 1971 when the French redeemed their dollars for gold @ 35 dollars an ounce. Nixon closed the gold window and astute investors who bought gold saw it go to over 800 dollars an ounce. As an aside anyone holding dollar denominated assets overseas is soon to get the shaft of a lifetime
 

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somebody was just found not guilty of not paying his taxes...

yeah there alot about ron paul we don't know, love to see third aprty do well just read again that perot got 19% amazing he must have spent a fortune
 


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