Who owns Dublin Zoo ?

EvotingMachine0197

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Dublin Zoo was opened in 1831 by the then Royal Zoological Society of Ireland, which had been founded the previous year. The animals were supplied by its counterpart in the UK, London Zoo.
Like other Zoo's of this time, Dublin Zoo was nothing like it is today. Its purpose was to show as many different kinds of animals as possible to people who had never seen anything like it.
I'm fairly certain the State still owns it. Yet I can't find out who is responsible for it.

Mention in the statute books is skimpy, to say the least.

S.I. No. 348/1946

I can find no financial information whatsoever.

Any input appreciated.

PS: Mods, please don't put this in the Zoo forum. :rolleyes:
 


johnfás

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I believe it is owned by the Zoological Society of Ireland. It is a charitable trust with its own board of trustees.
 

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Anyone ?



I'm fairly certain the State still owns it. Yet I can't find out who is responsible for it.

Mention in the statute books is skimpy, to say the least.

S.I. No. 348/1946

I can find no financial information whatsoever.

Any input appreciated.

PS: Mods, please don't put this in the Zoo forum. :rolleyes:
Have you looked at Wiki?

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Someone should check it out . The folks of Limerick thought they owned the 'peoples park' . Well you would wouldnt you ? With a name like that .
Alas it wasnt 'the peoples' at all . Belonged in part , to Lord Limerick .
Who promptly sold a chunk of it to a property developer (This was in 2002, not victorian times!) .
 
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Ah. There's more information there. I was searching under [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Zoo"]Dublin Zoo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:DublinZooEntrance.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/16/DublinZooEntrance.jpg/250px-DublinZooEntrance.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@en/thumb/1/16/DublinZooEntrance.jpg/250px-DublinZooEntrance.jpg[/ame].

This is the answer I was looking for:

In October 1993, the members of the RZSI voted to dissolve the society and transfer its assets to a new non-profit limited company called "Zoological Society of Ireland Limited".[5] This was to facilitate government and private funding arrangements for future development.[5] Responsibility for government assistance was transferred at the same time from the Department of Education to the Office of Public Works.[5]
So it's a Dept. of Finance baby now.

Anyone know where to get a relatively recent Annual Report ?
 

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See. Now, even with that information, I still can't find out a bloody thing about them.

Are these guys secretive or what ?
 

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See. Now, even with that information, I still can't find out a bloody thing about them.

Are these guys secretive or what ?
I'll bet you they are at least ,in part , owned/run by some relic of our past .ie a Brit lord . This 'trustee' business is nonsense .
Its nice real estate . Even in these tough times . Do you think 'us peasants' own it ?
Yer avin a laugh !

PS I am not 'anti brit' as such . I just think its disgraceful that they still hold property , in the republic ,that we 'won ' .How did that happen ?
Did we infact , as I suspect , 'lose' ?
 
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The animals of course, thought everyone knew that!
 

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I'll bet you they are at least ,in part , owned/run by some relic of our past .ie a Brit lord . This 'trustee' business is nonsense .
Its nice real estate . Even in these tough times . Do you think 'us peasants' own it ?
Yer avin a laugh !

PS I am not 'anti brit' as such . I just think its disgraceful that they still hold property , in the republic ,that we 'won ' .How did that happen ?
Did we infact , as I suspect , 'lose' ?
Remember the 'Grant and Regrant' policy of Henry VIII? That was the beginning of the serious transfer of ownership of Irish land (which under the Brehon Law system was more or less held in common by the tribe for the benefit of its members), into private hands. The Munster Plantation, under Mary, added to this drift and the law banning the Brehons was promulgated, at Ennis, under Elizabeth.

But it was the 17th century that saw the collapse of the old system. The Ulster Plantation under James, the massive confiscations by Cromwell, and those under William and Mary, that saw the ownership of Irish land switch around by 90% from the native Irish and Old English families into the hands of those loyal to England. The changes above were by royal warrant or parliamentary legislation. The new owners (be they aristocrats or not) generally made money through leasing their lands, both urban and rural, to wealthy tenants, who became the basis for the 'landed gentry' class, who would take on large tranches of property (possibly for sub-letting), as well as speculative developers- hence the establishment of the Registry of Deeds to hold copies of the agreements covering these transactions. Many, of course, leased small-holdings to their own tenant farmers, those transactions were not recorded by the Registry.

Acts of philanthropy would, of course, be recorded at the Registry. Such actions might include providing lands for a hospital or a public park on a 999 year lease. However, to safeguard the landlord's reversionary interest in the property, there would be standard clauses requiring the land to be handed back to the 'giver's' descendants should the purpose for which it was provided lapse. Which brought about quite a bit of bru-ha when Rory O'Hanlon set about closing down the 'Protestant ethos' hospitals... the state found that they were not able to engage in a shameless land grab, and so new uses within the health services had to be found for these old buildings and the land upon which they sat. Mercer's Hospital was the most significant case that was highlighted in or around that the time.

I think that you will find that it was Limerick Corporation that decided to sell off part of the People's Park.... and that Lord Limerick's intervention has safeguarded the rest of the lands there until the next generation forgets about a 'Memorial' (as the copies are called) of a musty old deed sitting on a shelf in a magnificent building off Henrietta Street in Dublin.

The land reforms of the late 19th and early 20th century put in place the means by which the tenant farmers could acquire their holdings. There was no incentive to do the same for tenants in urban areas. It was not until the latter part of the 20th century that the right to buy out the ground rent and / or the land upon which your house sat was enacted.

Interestingly, the Land Registry Office was established in the 19th century to facilitate those acquiring their farms, as the Registry of Deeds did not deal with transactions of less than 25 acres (if memory serves me right). However, the Land Registry was a facility, and the registration of property was not mandatory. Both these bodies functions are now amalgamated under the Property Registration Service and their on-line search facilities are excellent. It has been claimed that the ownership of something like 90% of the land of Ireland can be identified using these search facilities.

However, the black hole is in the urban areas where the landlord's long-term lease to a speculative developer may have been put in place but the individual contracts covering individual plots and the buildings that stood on them were never recorded officially and are now lost.

Anyway, in respect of what was won or lost throughout out our history- try travelling across the pond to what is left of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and see how much land is in the actual ownership of those that are farming it. It is stunning how many tenant farmers there are over there who are still beholden to the aristocracy or the landed gentry for the basis of their livelihoods.

The changes wrought up a 'De Zooah' were, most probably, motivated by the need to obtain the additional lands upon which the 'African Plains' facility were developed. As the 'Pheno' was / is an O.P.W. facility, this probably accounts for the transfer of the zoo's vote from the Dept. of Ed. to the O.P.W. at that time.
 


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