Who owns Lough Foyle?

darkhorse

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I always assumed there was a line up the middle somewhere marking the RoI / NI border
But according to NI Secretary of State James Brokenshire its all part of UK
It makes no sense that the border should not be in the middle - and has implications for tourism and fisheries post Brexit
How should this be challenged?

Efforts to resolve dispute over Lough Foyle continuing
 


Aindriu

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What dya want? A fence down the middle?

It is a deep channel in the centre so Royal Navy vessels can sail down into Derry. If it was not available they can't which would be an international incident as they would be being stopped from entering their own ports by a foreign power.
 

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I always assumed there was a line up the middle somewhere marking the RoI / NI border
But according to NI Secretary of State James Brokenshire its all part of UK
It makes no sense that the border should not be in the middle - and has implications for tourism and fisheries post Brexit
How can this be?

Efforts to resolve dispute over Lough Foyle continuing
Logic would suggest dividing it down the middle
Certainly if it went to the UN or some such body that's what would be custom and practice.
 

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I always assumed there was a line up the middle somewhere marking the RoI / NI border
But according to NI Secretary of State James Brokenshire its all part of UK
It makes no sense that the border should not be in the middle - and has implications for tourism and fisheries post Brexit
How can this be?

Efforts to resolve dispute over Lough Foyle continuing
There is a pier in Rathmullan,Donegal which was or still is the property of the UK.
It collapsed around a decade ago and Donegal Council would not repair it exactly for that reason.
 

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What dya want? A fence down the middle?

It is a deep channel in the centre so Royal Navy vessels can sail down into Derry. If it was not available they can't which would be an international incident as they would be being stopped from entering their own ports by a foreign power.
Just keep to the left a little going in and right a little going out. The floating mines will be a good guide ;)
 

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There is a pier in Rathmullan,Donegal which was or still is the property of the UK.
It collapsed around a decade ago and Donegal Council would not repair it exactly for that reason.
Edit: Sorry,thats Lough Swilly btw.

The pier in Moville, Donegal (lough Foyle) is also British owned.
 

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What dya want? A fence down the middle?

It is a deep channel in the centre so Royal Navy vessels can sail down into Derry. If it was not available they can't which would be an international incident as they would be being stopped from entering their own ports by a foreign power.
a wall it seem to be the way to go lately
 

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Just keep to the left a little going in and right a little going out. The floating mines will be a good guide ;)
A few submarine nets as well , never know hat you might catch
 

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A spokeswoman said yesterday: "The UK position is that the whole of Lough Foyle is within the UK. We recognise that the Irish Government does not accept this position. "There are no negotiations currently in progress on this issue. The regulation of activities in the Lough is now the responsibility of the Loughs Agency, a cross-border body established under the Belfast Agreement of 1988."

Obviously something that was never properly dealt with in the past. Don't think anyone other than agenda monkeys are too bothered by it.
 

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There has never been a formal agreement between the two governments on where the boundary lies, and AFAIK, the British position has always been that the whole of Lough Foyle is within the UK. That is not negotiable.

The regulation of activities on the Lough was delegated to a cross-border agency under the GFA.

it does get complicated because of the coastal seabed, which means international maritime law is implicated regarding jurisdiction. Because there is no agreed maritime boundary, both States could lay claim.

However property rights to the seabed is a matter of domestic law, not international law. So you have a situation both within and without the Lough, which is not the same.
 
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A few submarine nets as well , never know hat you might catch
The last submarines to come down the Foyle to Derry were the German U Boats after their surrender.
 

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A spokeswoman said yesterday: "The UK position is that the whole of Lough Foyle is within the UK. We recognise that the Irish Government does not accept this position. "There are no negotiations currently in progress on this issue. The regulation of activities in the Lough is now the responsibility of the Loughs Agency, a cross-border body established under the Belfast Agreement of 1988."

Obviously something that was never properly dealt with in the past. Don't think anyone other than agenda monkeys are too bothered by it.
There is similarly unresolved issue Carlingford Lough. Some years ago British Marines in ribs used to sail up to Irish fishing boats and behave provocatively. In response the government sent a naval vessel which patrolled all around the Lough to make a point. Since GFA none of this stuff occurred.y
 
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I always assumed there was a line up the middle somewhere marking the RoI / NI border
But according to NI Secretary of State James Brokenshire its all part of UK
It makes no sense that the border should not be in the middle - and has implications for tourism and fisheries post Brexit
How should this be challenged?

Efforts to resolve dispute over Lough Foyle continuing
If the Brits say they own it then they own it, that's how they own anything in Ireland because they have more guns n bombs than we do.

The ira may not have lost the war, but they sure as fuk didn't win it.

If we are going to get silly about it and start asking for a bit of the lough then we may as well ask for all of our country back.

And that's not going to happen any time soon.
 

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One solution would be to say LF belongs to Republic of Ireland when the tide is in, and belongs to UK when the tide goes out. A fair solution.
 

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Actually, it is not that simple as the British do accept that there is an unresolved issue corning a number of waterways and prefer to let sleeping dogs lie especially in recent times. It is not a matter of guns but pragmatism.
 

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If the Brits say they own it then they own it, that's how they own anything in Ireland because they have more guns n bombs than we do.

The ira may not have lost the war, but they sure as fuk didn't win it.

If we are going to get silly about it and start asking for a bit of the lough then we may as well ask for all of our country back.

And that's not going to happen any time soon.
Yes, but they're not going to use guns and bombs against official Ireland in this day and age. If we had a government with any guts they'd just go ahead and do what they like on our half of Lough Foyle and when the Brits complain, take it to the UN to ajudicate. Then we'd officially get half of it.
 


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